Google launches tool to determine data use after death(bbc.co.uk)
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Google launches tool to determine data use after death
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22119227
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I get the impression that Google determines death based on a certain period of inactivity. What if the account holder didn't die but, for example, went to jail and ended up with their account deleted or had "data from some or all of their services" sent to people while they were still alive but AFK? The failsafe of texting a number and emailing a backup address doesn't seem sufficient.
If they have selected for their data to be sent to someone in their close trust, how is this a problem? The trustee will know they are not actually dead, and may in fact need to intercede, e.g. with the mail trying to reach the unavailable person.
Now for data to be simply erased there's no easy solution, but it's not an option I would ever pick. I mean, at any point in time there may be people depending on me through email, sometimes in remote locations, who would have little way of knowing if anything happened to me. The least I can do is to have a setup that would have someone notify them if I died. I once bought a product from an eBay seller, and upon inquiring on the lateness to ship it, was notified by his brother that he had passed away a few days ago. It happens.
Now for data to be simply erased there's no easy solution, but it's not an option I would ever pick. I mean, at any point in time there may be people depending on me through email, sometimes in remote locations, who would have little way of knowing if anything happened to me. The least I can do is to have a setup that would have someone notify them if I died. I once bought a product from an eBay seller, and upon inquiring on the lateness to ship it, was notified by his brother that he had passed away a few days ago. It happens.
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In a few decades, the majority of accounts on facebook or g+ would belong to dead people, if they were not cleaned up. A strange thought.
Makes me wonder if there will be Facebook or Google in a few decades.
I imagine in a few years, when some of the big companies will bankrupt, people will realize they want control over their internet lives.
Their data will probably stay in the cloud, but I hope they will be in open format, and maybe people will keep a copy in an implant or something like that.
Fun to think about what will be in a few decades. It's unimaginable.
I imagine in a few years, when some of the big companies will bankrupt, people will realize they want control over their internet lives.
Their data will probably stay in the cloud, but I hope they will be in open format, and maybe people will keep a copy in an implant or something like that.
Fun to think about what will be in a few decades. It's unimaginable.
There are already people who want control over their online lives today. What makes you think that slice of the population will grow significantly?
I don't predict the percentage of "technical" people (or rather, people with strong feelings about the issues behind the technologies they use) to ever really change. Most people are simply and unchangeably uninterested in DRM or locked bootloaders or data mining or closed source or how much technical privacy they have.
I don't predict the percentage of "technical" people (or rather, people with strong feelings about the issues behind the technologies they use) to ever really change. Most people are simply and unchangeably uninterested in DRM or locked bootloaders or data mining or closed source or how much technical privacy they have.
It would be nice to leave bots playing on those Zynga games ;-)
I set up mine a second ago.
I think it's an "ok" solution to a problem we heard of quite a couple of times in the recent past.
I also hope this will open the way for more complete solutions, maybe also backed by international regulations.
I think it's an "ok" solution to a problem we heard of quite a couple of times in the recent past.
I also hope this will open the way for more complete solutions, maybe also backed by international regulations.
Yep. One such issue to solve would be "ownership" of digital assets.
I don't really have anything that important on Google, but I'd like to have for example my code on GitHub and my photos on Flickr to live on after I kick the bucket.
I don't really have anything that important on Google, but I'd like to have for example my code on GitHub and my photos on Flickr to live on after I kick the bucket.
Does deleting a Google account also remove non-public data that you haven't openly shared, such as search records and Android-related GPS data?
Another commenter's reply (which has been marked dead) brought up a great point about the value of this information for people in the future.
I want and expect privacy now and for the near future, but when my (future) grandchildren's grandchildren are gone (hell, not even that far from now), that information being aired publicly won't hurt me and could reasonably provide the future some benefit.
I want and expect privacy now and for the near future, but when my (future) grandchildren's grandchildren are gone (hell, not even that far from now), that information being aired publicly won't hurt me and could reasonably provide the future some benefit.
I quite like this idea and it brings us closer to the concept of a digitally fingerprinted will. Which I'd much prefer to the one that is stored in my solicitors filing cabinet, somewhere.
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I've lately been thinking about what would happen to all my digital data if I died unexpectedly, so I find this post quite timely. However, I wanted a scheme that did not rely on any single provider. Instead, I split up my master password using secret sharing and distributed the shares to trusted parties. A quorum of them could recover the password and thus my data -- not just gmail, but all my online accounts. I wrote up the details here: http://mrgris.com/blog/2013-03-27-survivorship-in-the-digita...
That's an interesting solution, but it really only works if you never change your password. Which isn't a great practice...
Not available for Apps Accounts.
Kind of makes sense, given that Apps accounts are usually business, not personal. In which case the companies probably already have a policy on what to do with the accounts when a person leaves. And they have admins that can manage the accounts, unlike with the personal ones
Maybe more so going forward now that the free option is gone, but there are still a lot of us who are using grandfathered free Google Apps accounts so we can have custom domains.
GMail, 2004: "keep giving people more space forever", in stark contrast to Hotmail and all other providers who delete your data after a few months of inactivity.
GMail, 2013: "You can tell us what to do with your Gmail messages and data from several other Google services if your account becomes inactive for any reason", and only offers to safeguard your data for a year: "after three, six, nine or 12 months of inactivity". Sprinkled with some fear of digital privacy after your death, for good measure.
So as of today, the only difference between the old Hotmail policy and the new GMail, is whether that checkbox is ticked or not.
I'm willing to bet that feature will shortly by enabled by default.
GMail, 2013: "You can tell us what to do with your Gmail messages and data from several other Google services if your account becomes inactive for any reason", and only offers to safeguard your data for a year: "after three, six, nine or 12 months of inactivity". Sprinkled with some fear of digital privacy after your death, for good measure.
So as of today, the only difference between the old Hotmail policy and the new GMail, is whether that checkbox is ticked or not.
I'm willing to bet that feature will shortly by enabled by default.
Really? Really? Has Hacker News become this childish? I'm sorry, but this is getting a little out of hand. I know people are still upset about Reader's cancellation but come on.
If we're at the point where everyone just shits all over whatever Google does, regardless of whether it's a good thing or not, then that really doesn't say much about us as a community. If Google does bad things, let's point that out, but if, on the other hand, they come out with a product that is clearly of benefit to users, respects their wishes, and offers a feature that no other service providers do, then perhaps we should recognize that Google might have done something good for once.
If we're at the point where everyone just shits all over whatever Google does, regardless of whether it's a good thing or not, then that really doesn't say much about us as a community. If Google does bad things, let's point that out, but if, on the other hand, they come out with a product that is clearly of benefit to users, respects their wishes, and offers a feature that no other service providers do, then perhaps we should recognize that Google might have done something good for once.
I could say the same about being enamoured with Google's "Don't be evil" motto to the point as to disregard general management... and accusing me of being childish for recording predictions publically. But hey... if we can't have an adult debate on this entreprenerial forum, you might be right when you say it "doesn't say much about us as a community".
So, coming back to the topic at hand, no this is not "clearly of benefit to the user". If I want my succession to be handled properly, I'll take care of it myself. There's nothing good about breaking a promise they made when they opened the service; that's called bait-and-switch. And breaking promises, to me, is a cardinal sin.
Have they made it the default? I don't know. Will they? I know even less. Neither do you. So please, stay civil if you're going to defend them.
So, coming back to the topic at hand, no this is not "clearly of benefit to the user". If I want my succession to be handled properly, I'll take care of it myself. There's nothing good about breaking a promise they made when they opened the service; that's called bait-and-switch. And breaking promises, to me, is a cardinal sin.
Have they made it the default? I don't know. Will they? I know even less. Neither do you. So please, stay civil if you're going to defend them.
Or Google is just trying to solve a real problem (that few people think about until it's too late) for its users.
GMail is miniscule compared to YouTube. You really think Google is having so much trouble storing a bunch of text that they came up with this whole death justification to start deleting inactive accounts? Please.
GMail is miniscule compared to YouTube. You really think Google is having so much trouble storing a bunch of text that they came up with this whole death justification to start deleting inactive accounts? Please.
In principle you'd be right, although Google/Youtube have never(?) made any promise about data retention. I've started to notice a number of older inactive links (say 5-10 years) have become stale, so I'd suspect they started to clean-up their database on that side.
Hacking Google for position 1 results:
There’s an interesting hack being in Google.co.uk results for the term 'electronic cigarette' where a black hat approach has worked to fool Google into allowing a bunch of sites to dominate the results.
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Interesting
There’s an interesting hack being in Google.co.uk results for the term 'electronic cigarette' where a black hat approach has worked to fool Google into allowing a bunch of sites to dominate the results.
It's quite an interesting blackhat approach combining techniques and relying on a few oddities at Google for it to work.
1) So every few weeks Google cycles take place with filters and 'new sites' will have penalties applied (sandbox), allowing new sites to gain a bunch of links quickly then rank very fast between these cycles
2) The sites are cloaking their results serving up different results a) for Google bots, b) for people coming directly from Google, c) for anyone going directly to their site. They are doing this because they have affiliate links which they wish to hide from Google, while the traffic coming directly from Google will see affiliate links, c) anyone going to them directly is treated suspicious so they show them a blank page saying the site is closed. "This website is no longer available.": http://fabelectroniccigarette.co.uk/ If you go there from a Google search you will see affiliate links https://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fabelectron... The cache page shows Google Bot without the affiliate links http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IhEEuWP... If you look at the cookies for the site you will see the refer link being captured wptt_referrer The back links to the site are all black hat links: http://www.black-x.de/gaestebuch.php
They are running a churn and burn system with a bunch of sites www.fabelectroniccigarette.co.uk www.electroniccigarettegold.co.uk/ www.ecigaretteco.co.uk www.superb-ecigarette.co.uk/ www.smoking-electronic-cigarette.co.uk/ www.electroniccigarettehealth.co.uk/ www.wickedelectroniccigarette.co.uk/ www.ecigswow.co.uk/ www.awsomeecigarettes.co.uk
Interesting
Interesting comment, considering the OP, because this account, until today was essentially dead. 986 days ago this account was started with a single comment, "Zed Shaw should just contine to make no cash and ask for donations, because they will pay his bils for a few months." only today to be resurrected with what is obviously spam. Kind of wild to be so heavy handed on the comment spam after seasoning this account for so long. Interesting.