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Thank you very much for your support :D
In 2001 when I was shopping a for a new computer I was talking with the Dell Rep. over the phone about different types of monitor. There was one that was 200 dollars more expensive than the other. I asked the Rep. what was the difference and this was her response "mmmm, one is more espensive" in a couldn't care less kind of tone. Horrible customer service. And the comparison to an incompetent government employee is pretty apt. Dell deserves to be ridiculed for this.
True, but there are also good stories with Dell. My housemate a few years ago had a Dell laptop which would no longer charge. Out of warranty they offered to fix it if he sent it in, but he was heading out of the country over Christmas. They sent out a technician to fix it at our house within a few days and everything was sorted.
That was excellent service.
Not everyone has good dealings with them, but it's not all bad.
That was excellent service.
Not everyone has good dealings with them, but it's not all bad.
I am with you on this one, but bear in mind, the technician who is supposed to replace your display possibly only knows the part numbers instead of their specs.
I faced a similar situation too (some years back) - I own a Sony Vaio and my display had some issues too. Basically, under the hood, the display is either an LG or a SAMSUNG if your laptop is by a good brand (LG/SAMSUNG makes the best displays, Apple, Sony, everyone else uses displays made by them), or it's made by some cheap Chinese company if your laptop's brand is not so reputed.
Also, the same laptop has multiple replacement parts for the same item. In my case, my display was originally a Samsung, but my replacement was an LG. But the appearance of the parts looked exactly the same, but underneath, my replacement display was 1080p, whereas originally it was 720p. Though, my maximum display settings still allow me to use only 720p.
Think about it, just a slight variation in part numbers could mean a LOT!
This is when I learnt that despite a laptop belonging to the same model number, it could have various part numbers for the same item. Hence, these technicians end up memorizing the part numbers instead of the technical specifications of the parts. I am not talking in support of the technician though - By all means, he IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW what technical features are inside, but given the appearance and complexity of the part numbers, this could be very difficult for one when dealing with thousands of components every month. Give the guy some benefit of doubt, but don't forgive Dell, ever.
Cheers!
I faced a similar situation too (some years back) - I own a Sony Vaio and my display had some issues too. Basically, under the hood, the display is either an LG or a SAMSUNG if your laptop is by a good brand (LG/SAMSUNG makes the best displays, Apple, Sony, everyone else uses displays made by them), or it's made by some cheap Chinese company if your laptop's brand is not so reputed.
Also, the same laptop has multiple replacement parts for the same item. In my case, my display was originally a Samsung, but my replacement was an LG. But the appearance of the parts looked exactly the same, but underneath, my replacement display was 1080p, whereas originally it was 720p. Though, my maximum display settings still allow me to use only 720p.
Think about it, just a slight variation in part numbers could mean a LOT!
This is when I learnt that despite a laptop belonging to the same model number, it could have various part numbers for the same item. Hence, these technicians end up memorizing the part numbers instead of the technical specifications of the parts. I am not talking in support of the technician though - By all means, he IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW what technical features are inside, but given the appearance and complexity of the part numbers, this could be very difficult for one when dealing with thousands of components every month. Give the guy some benefit of doubt, but don't forgive Dell, ever.
Cheers!
The problem here is also that Dell randomly switches parts around on these things without changing the model name. If even their own support people can't keep it all straight, how are customers supposed to be able to? Apple gets away with it because they refresh the whole line at certain intervals, so "late 2010 macbook air" really means something, and also they point out stuff you should care about (e.g. Retina displays, but not e.g. CPU upgrades).
But ehy, every Dell pc has a service tag which identifies every pc (with that tag they even know the name of the owner) so they are supposed to know every part of the pc
The problem with Dell is they change part numbers so fast that a particular part number replacement not be available, you then run not well trained techs trying to figure out which newer part number actually works and is equivalent on your model.
Last year I purchased three XPS 17 laptops within 3 months of each other for a client. Each time I had to choose slightly different options as they didn't offer the exact same configuration each time.
Last year I purchased three XPS 17 laptops within 3 months of each other for a client. Each time I had to choose slightly different options as they didn't offer the exact same configuration each time.
> In conclusion: don’t EVER send your laptop to a Dell lab.
Simpler: Don't buy Dell.
I thought this was common knowledge.
Simpler: Don't buy Dell.
I thought this was common knowledge.
I've got a circa-2009 Latitude E6400 that is still alive and kicking (save for the battery, but it lasted a solid ~3 years before it gave out).
I was really impressed and convinced that Dell had stepped their game up for good, but it seems like they've let things slip again.
I was really impressed and convinced that Dell had stepped their game up for good, but it seems like they've let things slip again.
"Don't buy Dell" has been my rule for years, but the XPS 13 was supposed to change that. This is the same hardware used in their "Project Sputnik" Linux Developer laptop running Ubuntu.
Most reviewers gave the 720p model very good ratings. It's very unfortunate that the 1080p model seems to be having issues (see my top level comment).
Most reviewers gave the 720p model very good ratings. It's very unfortunate that the 1080p model seems to be having issues (see my top level comment).
I've suffered enough with Dell that I'm never going to buy another Dell laptop again. Their monitors on the other hand seem to be absolutely awesome, I bought a U2412M recently and it works brilliantly.
Back in 1999 the common knowledge among geeks was actually 'buy Dell'.
They had better internal cabling than the competition, and have been leveraging 1999 since then.
They had better internal cabling than the competition, and have been leveraging 1999 since then.
I think I've been burned by every company at least once--it seems like the "good" and "bad" companies switch every few years.
UPDATE 2013-04-08: I got a phone call from a recorded voice that said that my laptop have been shipped and I would get it in 24h.
UPDATE 2013-04-09: I got another phone call from the Dell support center that confirmed the shipment but they said that may laptop have not been fixed. They are shipping it as it was a month ago! They are sending me a new laptop in about 2 weeks and in the meanwhile I can keep my old one. I asked if they were sending me some sort of gift or a refund for all the trouble but they said that, as they’re a support center, they can’t and if I want I can send a letter to their lawyers. Another terrible story from Dell support service.
UPDATE 2013-04-09: I got another phone call from the Dell support center that confirmed the shipment but they said that may laptop have not been fixed. They are shipping it as it was a month ago! They are sending me a new laptop in about 2 weeks and in the meanwhile I can keep my old one. I asked if they were sending me some sort of gift or a refund for all the trouble but they said that, as they’re a support center, they can’t and if I want I can send a letter to their lawyers. Another terrible story from Dell support service.
Sounds miserable. If they'd give you a loaner for the duration it'd be a little better.
I and others have recently had employees at the Apple store encourage us to utilize their no restocking fee policy to effectively get a "free" loaner laptop while ours were under repair.
Maybe Apple should encourage people to do this even when they're having computers from other manufacturers repaired. How often do people end up just keeping and paying for these "free" loaners... ?
Edit: loner -> loaner, Thanks ColinWright!
I and others have recently had employees at the Apple store encourage us to utilize their no restocking fee policy to effectively get a "free" loaner laptop while ours were under repair.
Maybe Apple should encourage people to do this even when they're having computers from other manufacturers repaired. How often do people end up just keeping and paying for these "free" loaners... ?
Edit: loner -> loaner, Thanks ColinWright!
Not to be "that guy", but you mean "loaner" as in "something on loan", rather than "loner", which is "someone that prefers to be alone."
Having just come back from a conference where I was humbled by the other delegates' ability to speak English, I was hesitating to offer corrections. However, I was told in no uncertain terms that they wanted to improve, so provided it didn't interrupt flow, I offered corrections. I hope you feel the same. I'm also happy to delete this comment once I know you've seen it, thus helping flow.
Having just come back from a conference where I was humbled by the other delegates' ability to speak English, I was hesitating to offer corrections. However, I was told in no uncertain terms that they wanted to improve, so provided it didn't interrupt flow, I offered corrections. I hope you feel the same. I'm also happy to delete this comment once I know you've seen it, thus helping flow.
Definately! More folks should loose there inhabitions and speak up. If noone points out grammer and spelling errors, than how will people ever learn? I think your a saint, its really grate that you took the time to right this down. Thanks alot.
Also: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling
Also: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling
Translation: it doesn't matter how you spell, or how you write, it's the message that counts, so as long as people can make sense of it, you're OK. After all, there's no such thing as correct spelling or grammar, so feel free to do anything you like.
Obvservation: there are people - like myself - who don't read phonetically. Spelling such as in your (clearly ironic) reply just serve to slow my reading and make it less likely that I'll care about what you say. If it's your intention deliberately to alienate a portion of your possible audience, then by all means use whatever spelling you like.
This will degenerate into the usual pointless debate, so just let me assert that I'm not a grammar nazi, and I don't claim there is "one true language". I simply offer the point of view that some spellings will make your writing less effective for some of your possible audience.
Obvservation: there are people - like myself - who don't read phonetically. Spelling such as in your (clearly ironic) reply just serve to slow my reading and make it less likely that I'll care about what you say. If it's your intention deliberately to alienate a portion of your possible audience, then by all means use whatever spelling you like.
This will degenerate into the usual pointless debate, so just let me assert that I'm not a grammar nazi, and I don't claim there is "one true language". I simply offer the point of view that some spellings will make your writing less effective for some of your possible audience.
I was just poking fun, I completely agree with you. I work in publishing: editing is a major part of my job. My mom is an author, my dad is a literary agent. Friends used to joke that I was born with a red pencil in in my hand – that was before I learned not to correct their spelling without being asked to do so. You can be always right, believing you're very helpful, and end up with very few friends ;)
Friends are are overrated.
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Unfortunately, corrections don't help people improve.
Consuming language (reading, listening) does. Producing and getting corrected doesn't.
I can dig out some sources for that, if you are interested.
Consuming language (reading, listening) does. Producing and getting corrected doesn't.
I can dig out some sources for that, if you are interested.
That's interesting - the people I was talking with made a point of using the corrected version multiple times over a short space of time, and seemed to assimilate the change. Anedotes aren't data though - if you have evidence to contradict that observation I'd be interested to see it - yes.
Thanks.
Added in edit: you were downvoted - I don't know why, so I've upvoted you.
Thanks.
Added in edit: you were downvoted - I don't know why, so I've upvoted you.
Yup thanks! Just a pre-coffee brain fart.
Cool - no problem, and thanks for the reply.
Great advice. Since OP wants a 13" notebook with a high res display, he might want to look into getting a 13" retina MacBook Pro. In Italy, that model costs Euro 1530, which is in the same range as the DELL he bought.
OP: if you can swing it, get yourself a Mac and see if you enjoy using it. If you don't, you can return it if when DELL fixes your notebook. Also, there are 12 Apple Stores in Italy. If you happen to live near one, service and support is a lot easier and more direct.
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/features-retina/
http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/
OP: if you can swing it, get yourself a Mac and see if you enjoy using it. If you don't, you can return it if when DELL fixes your notebook. Also, there are 12 Apple Stores in Italy. If you happen to live near one, service and support is a lot easier and more direct.
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/features-retina/
http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/
The entry 13" Retina MBP costs €1530. (€1550 here for some reason). The comparable one (256GB SSD, better CPU) costs €1730. [1]
In comparison, the Dell one is €1400. €300 is a significant price difference IMO. Of course, they're not entirely the same. The Dell one still has a better CPU, the Apple one has a higher res display. The Apple one obviously comes with OS X, which could mean an extra €100 for a Windows license if he really needs it. Then again, his site [3] indicates that his previous computer was a Macbook which he ran Linux on, so I guess it's irrelevant.
[1]: http://www.apple.com/it/macbook-pro/specs-retina/ [2]: http://www.dell.com/it/p/xps-13-l321x-mlk/pd?oc=n0013z26&... [3]: http://volpino.github.io/#home
In comparison, the Dell one is €1400. €300 is a significant price difference IMO. Of course, they're not entirely the same. The Dell one still has a better CPU, the Apple one has a higher res display. The Apple one obviously comes with OS X, which could mean an extra €100 for a Windows license if he really needs it. Then again, his site [3] indicates that his previous computer was a Macbook which he ran Linux on, so I guess it's irrelevant.
[1]: http://www.apple.com/it/macbook-pro/specs-retina/ [2]: http://www.dell.com/it/p/xps-13-l321x-mlk/pd?oc=n0013z26&... [3]: http://volpino.github.io/#home
Yes, the comparable macbook is much more expensive :( (and not so tiny though)
Oddly enough the Apple repair center near my home refused to give me something that I could work with till they repaired my dying hard disk.
I also purchased one of the new XPS 13 1080p models as a replacement for a 15" MBP. From everything I had seen about this model, it was one of the first "Ultrabooks" that approached the MacBook Air in terms of build quality, pleasing and stylish aesthetics, and of course the 1080p screen.
The first unit they sent had horrible backlight bleed in the upper right and lower left corners of the screen. Dell's first 'solution' was to offer to send out a tech to replace the screen. I requested a new laptop, since after all, it was only about a week old at that point.
I received the 2nd unit, and while there was no backlight bleed in the upper right or lower left, there was similar bleeding on the lower right and upper left this time.
I'm truly disappointed at what is otherwise a fantastic piece of hardware. It seems that Dell was more concerned with getting a 1080p model in their catalog than ensuring that they could actually build the things successfully.
I'm trying for a 3rd, after which I'll stop trying and go buy an MBA.
The first unit they sent had horrible backlight bleed in the upper right and lower left corners of the screen. Dell's first 'solution' was to offer to send out a tech to replace the screen. I requested a new laptop, since after all, it was only about a week old at that point.
I received the 2nd unit, and while there was no backlight bleed in the upper right or lower left, there was similar bleeding on the lower right and upper left this time.
I'm truly disappointed at what is otherwise a fantastic piece of hardware. It seems that Dell was more concerned with getting a 1080p model in their catalog than ensuring that they could actually build the things successfully.
I'm trying for a 3rd, after which I'll stop trying and go buy an MBA.
Personally I don't buy to this suppliers. They do laptops and hardware in general by the trial an error method. They release often new and new models. So many, that probably they don't even know how many models they have. That means that instead of having good hardware, they have a lot of crappy options.
Actually is more about marketing. They want to have a lot of models, so they can have more laptops to fit better to the custom specs of each client.
This happens not only in dell, also in asus, hp... If you want to buy in any of this companies, ensure you buy the most common laptop.
Actually is more about marketing. They want to have a lot of models, so they can have more laptops to fit better to the custom specs of each client.
This happens not only in dell, also in asus, hp... If you want to buy in any of this companies, ensure you buy the most common laptop.
That's disappointing to hear. I was a few days away from pulling the trigger on one of these but maybe I'll just lump up for the 13" MBP retina after all.
It might be about time for a chargeback.
If you get a new laptop, get a X1 carbon.
It's linux-friendly, light and has a really good keyboard.
It's also larger and has a lower res display than the notebook OP chose. But maybe, after his experiences with DELL support, he would be willing to settle for that.
You restrained yourself from pointing out that it's "an" X1 Carbon. Good job.
It's more expensive and with lower res, unfortunately
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It seems like one of the few ways for the little guy to fight back.