Meta's new face camera heralds a new age of surveillance(nytimes.com)
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Meta's new face camera heralds a new age of surveillance
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/technology/personaltech/meta-ray-ban-glasses.html
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Even when we repeatedly reject these technologies, tech companies just won't stop trying until we finally give in and the world is made a worse place permanently. I used to think I was truly blessed to live at this time, but I absolutely hate this moment in history, and having to live through it.
Agreed on the points made of privacy.
A line that stuck out though, was the line about how it's redundant and does what our phones can already do. One of the goals of this seems to be just that, but with the intention of using the form factor/"invisible" interface as a means of blurring the lines and making it more seamless/invisible to the point that it "just exists" and we forget it's even there. I'm not a psych expert, but one could assume the many reasons for wanting this to happen with people who use this product
A line that stuck out though, was the line about how it's redundant and does what our phones can already do. One of the goals of this seems to be just that, but with the intention of using the form factor/"invisible" interface as a means of blurring the lines and making it more seamless/invisible to the point that it "just exists" and we forget it's even there. I'm not a psych expert, but one could assume the many reasons for wanting this to happen with people who use this product
What will probably actually happen, and of course, the article touches on this, is that we will have even fewer opportunities to feel like we aren't on stage.
That's a great point. Will likely also feed into the perception some have of living in a movie or "main character" syndrome
"To inform people that they are being photographed, the Ray-Ban Meta glasses include a tiny LED light embedded in the right frame to indicate when the device is recording. When a photo is snapped, it flashes momentarily. When a video is recording, it is continuously illuminated."
"Albert Aydin, a Meta spokesman, said the company took privacy seriously and designed safety measures, including a tamper-detection technology, to prevent users from covering up the LED light with tape."
How long until someone figures out how to circumvent that?
"Albert Aydin, a Meta spokesman, said the company took privacy seriously and designed safety measures, including a tamper-detection technology, to prevent users from covering up the LED light with tape."
How long until someone figures out how to circumvent that?
As soon as they can replace the light emitting diode with some other non light emitting diode, probably
Seems to me a dab of black paint would be sufficient.
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Oh, this will unearth some very disturbing patterns with certain individuals...
Also: I see the forums where stalkers and voyeurs post their daily "catch"... Just yesterday I saw a guy secretly filming a clothing store girl with his phone and the individual noticably wasn't happy about it. This could also put spectacle wearers in a corner, as they could be accused of voyeurism once people become aware of this invasion of privacy.
Also: I see the forums where stalkers and voyeurs post their daily "catch"... Just yesterday I saw a guy secretly filming a clothing store girl with his phone and the individual noticably wasn't happy about it. This could also put spectacle wearers in a corner, as they could be accused of voyeurism once people become aware of this invasion of privacy.
I hate wearing glasses. And have to due to life.
With posers who could now wear camera enabled glasses for social media and likes for some reason angers me.
I've been made fun of, bullied, outcasted all my teenage life because of them. And now that it's becoming a thing kind of makes me feel like I want to punch those in the face for all the torment I've had.
With posers who could now wear camera enabled glasses for social media and likes for some reason angers me.
I've been made fun of, bullied, outcasted all my teenage life because of them. And now that it's becoming a thing kind of makes me feel like I want to punch those in the face for all the torment I've had.
> With posers who could now wear camera enabled glasses for social media and likes for some reason angers me.
Posers? There are sunglass lense versions of those glasses available. Do you have any issue with people wearing non-prescription sunglasses?
And people have been wearing decorative glasses with no prescription for quite a while. I cannot do it, despite liking the look of glasses (which I have no need for after getting lasik 6 years ago).
However, I do wear sunglasses and have zero issues with doing so. Neither have I felt anything negative towards people who wear glasses for decorative purposes with no prescription, even back when I had to wear them for vision correction purposes for most of my life.
Posers? There are sunglass lense versions of those glasses available. Do you have any issue with people wearing non-prescription sunglasses?
And people have been wearing decorative glasses with no prescription for quite a while. I cannot do it, despite liking the look of glasses (which I have no need for after getting lasik 6 years ago).
However, I do wear sunglasses and have zero issues with doing so. Neither have I felt anything negative towards people who wear glasses for decorative purposes with no prescription, even back when I had to wear them for vision correction purposes for most of my life.
Sun glasses are sun glasses, I have no problem with them, nor really non-perspection. If they wish to do so fine.
But the difference is when social media gimmick advertising "glasses are cool" and those who struct around. Will never know what it has been like to be subjected to torment of being, insulted, rejected, emotionally and psychically abused. For those who have no choice not to wear glasses.
Are they going to offer them in my prescription? Are they going to cost more because they're prescription?
Its already hard enough playing VR when you have faulty vision. I've had to seek 3rd party lenses to allow myself to see. No VR company has ever catered for those with faulty vision.
For them to come along "heres a pair of digital swanky glasses, who those who don't need to wear glasses" is a real kick in the teeth when I've had mine damaged, smashed or broken many times.
I can't explain what I want to explain 100% but as I said prior for some reason it infuriates me.
A luxury product for those who will never understand what it's like to wear glasses permanently.
But the difference is when social media gimmick advertising "glasses are cool" and those who struct around. Will never know what it has been like to be subjected to torment of being, insulted, rejected, emotionally and psychically abused. For those who have no choice not to wear glasses.
Are they going to offer them in my prescription? Are they going to cost more because they're prescription?
Its already hard enough playing VR when you have faulty vision. I've had to seek 3rd party lenses to allow myself to see. No VR company has ever catered for those with faulty vision.
For them to come along "heres a pair of digital swanky glasses, who those who don't need to wear glasses" is a real kick in the teeth when I've had mine damaged, smashed or broken many times.
I can't explain what I want to explain 100% but as I said prior for some reason it infuriates me.
A luxury product for those who will never understand what it's like to wear glasses permanently.
> Are they going to offer prescription glasses?
For those Meta collab frames? They already do. Afaik every single frame sold by Ray-Ban is available as a prescription version.
> Are they going to cost more because they're prescription?
No idea, but I would assume yes, as sunglasses cost more for prescription lenses on the same frame virtually everywhere. And i don’t see why it would work any differently for clear non-prescription lenses as opposed to shaded/sunglass lenses.
> No VR company has ever catered for those with faulty vision.
Catered? Maybe no, but almost every new major VR headset announcement prominently features either their ergonomic adjustments/customizations that accommodate prescription glasses or they straight up just offer prescription lenses for VR headsets themselves. I am not sure what more one can even ask for here, aside from the ergonomic customizations to accommodate prescription glasses being more versatile or better.
Major manufacturers have been improving upon it with each generation, as I still had to wear prescription glasses all the way through the OG oculus rift + HTC Vive era. Most of my friends who are into VR and who still wear prescription glasses have corroborated on their experiences with it as well.
Oculus Quest 3 and Apple Vision Pro offer prescription lenses as well. While Vision Pro is still yet to be released, Apple provided plenty of details regarding their prescription lenses. And Oculus Quest 3 has been providing prescription lenses for the headset since the launch date.
For those Meta collab frames? They already do. Afaik every single frame sold by Ray-Ban is available as a prescription version.
> Are they going to cost more because they're prescription?
No idea, but I would assume yes, as sunglasses cost more for prescription lenses on the same frame virtually everywhere. And i don’t see why it would work any differently for clear non-prescription lenses as opposed to shaded/sunglass lenses.
> No VR company has ever catered for those with faulty vision.
Catered? Maybe no, but almost every new major VR headset announcement prominently features either their ergonomic adjustments/customizations that accommodate prescription glasses or they straight up just offer prescription lenses for VR headsets themselves. I am not sure what more one can even ask for here, aside from the ergonomic customizations to accommodate prescription glasses being more versatile or better.
Major manufacturers have been improving upon it with each generation, as I still had to wear prescription glasses all the way through the OG oculus rift + HTC Vive era. Most of my friends who are into VR and who still wear prescription glasses have corroborated on their experiences with it as well.
Oculus Quest 3 and Apple Vision Pro offer prescription lenses as well. While Vision Pro is still yet to be released, Apple provided plenty of details regarding their prescription lenses. And Oculus Quest 3 has been providing prescription lenses for the headset since the launch date.
> or they straight up just offer prescription lenses for VR headsets themselves.
Ive never seen this. If I could of ordered my Index with my prescription it would be a whole different reality. I had to seek addition inserts from a 3rd party vendor.
I don't doubt vendors are working on the issue. But Meta, facebook caring for their customers with glasses on first approach? They should be able to sell the pair with my prescription for the same cost as those without. Why should I have to pay more when the process is no different in manufacture.
Maybe I'm just jealous as I would love to see the world without having to require an operation nor needing glasses. Having eye surgery to get my astigmatism fixed was difficult enough.
I just for-see "its supercool to wear glasses because I can X " yet when my experience of wearing glasses has been hell, doesn't make me happy. Maybe school was better for you wearing glasses but for me.. no.
Ive never seen this. If I could of ordered my Index with my prescription it would be a whole different reality. I had to seek addition inserts from a 3rd party vendor.
I don't doubt vendors are working on the issue. But Meta, facebook caring for their customers with glasses on first approach? They should be able to sell the pair with my prescription for the same cost as those without. Why should I have to pay more when the process is no different in manufacture.
Maybe I'm just jealous as I would love to see the world without having to require an operation nor needing glasses. Having eye surgery to get my astigmatism fixed was difficult enough.
I just for-see "its supercool to wear glasses because I can X " yet when my experience of wearing glasses has been hell, doesn't make me happy. Maybe school was better for you wearing glasses but for me.. no.
> I don't doubt vendors are working on the issue
It isn’t the vendors, it is first party (well, Meta partnered with Zenni for that). As in, you can get prescription lenses when ordering the headset directly from Meta/Apple[0][1] (yet to be seen for Apple due to the headset not being released yet, but i doubt they would announce it with all the details about their prescription offerings and then cancel right before the release).
> They should be able to sell the pair with my prescription for the same cost as those without.
Given it doesn’t work this way for any type of glasses that offer a prescription lens option (including sunglasses and regular clear lenses), I don’t see why there is such an expectation for AR/VR headsets. As long as the price isn’t gouged up, I believe it is reasonable. For context, a pair of the official prescription lenses for Meta Quest 3 costs only $49, which is extremely fair imo and comes with a carrying/storage case for them as well (for context, their non-prescription replacement lenses cost $29 for a pair).
> Maybe school was better for you wearing glasses
I think that’s the main thing here, and I genuinely feel sorry for whatever you experienced in school due to wearing glasses. Kids can be cruel to those entirely undeserving of such treatment, indeed.
For me, glasses only ever caused personal physical discomfort type of issues (e.g., fogging up during rain or cold weather or when riding a motorcycle, having to be careful not to let them fall, swimming pools, etc.), but never social (aside from some distant relatives teasing me about it, as they have that whole anti-intellectual vibe going on).
In school? I went to a high school in semi-rural Georgia (the US state, not the country), and it didn’t have the most academic-minded environment. Not that many people wore glasses at all either. But absolutely no one cared if you did.
I guess times are just different these days, as you are unlikely to get bullied in school for being as nerdy as being into marvel or comic books in general. Famous NBA athletes rave about Fortnite, Dota2, and their favorite anime during interviews. The world is just different now. And while I feel compassion for those that came before us who didn’t get to experience this level of acceptance, I believe the world is a better off place for everyone involved, with all of this trickling into the mainstream acceptance.
0. https://www.meta.com/quest/accessories/quest-3-zenni-vr-pres...
1. https://www.zdnet.com/article/first-look-heres-what-apples-v...
It isn’t the vendors, it is first party (well, Meta partnered with Zenni for that). As in, you can get prescription lenses when ordering the headset directly from Meta/Apple[0][1] (yet to be seen for Apple due to the headset not being released yet, but i doubt they would announce it with all the details about their prescription offerings and then cancel right before the release).
> They should be able to sell the pair with my prescription for the same cost as those without.
Given it doesn’t work this way for any type of glasses that offer a prescription lens option (including sunglasses and regular clear lenses), I don’t see why there is such an expectation for AR/VR headsets. As long as the price isn’t gouged up, I believe it is reasonable. For context, a pair of the official prescription lenses for Meta Quest 3 costs only $49, which is extremely fair imo and comes with a carrying/storage case for them as well (for context, their non-prescription replacement lenses cost $29 for a pair).
> Maybe school was better for you wearing glasses
I think that’s the main thing here, and I genuinely feel sorry for whatever you experienced in school due to wearing glasses. Kids can be cruel to those entirely undeserving of such treatment, indeed.
For me, glasses only ever caused personal physical discomfort type of issues (e.g., fogging up during rain or cold weather or when riding a motorcycle, having to be careful not to let them fall, swimming pools, etc.), but never social (aside from some distant relatives teasing me about it, as they have that whole anti-intellectual vibe going on).
In school? I went to a high school in semi-rural Georgia (the US state, not the country), and it didn’t have the most academic-minded environment. Not that many people wore glasses at all either. But absolutely no one cared if you did.
I guess times are just different these days, as you are unlikely to get bullied in school for being as nerdy as being into marvel or comic books in general. Famous NBA athletes rave about Fortnite, Dota2, and their favorite anime during interviews. The world is just different now. And while I feel compassion for those that came before us who didn’t get to experience this level of acceptance, I believe the world is a better off place for everyone involved, with all of this trickling into the mainstream acceptance.
0. https://www.meta.com/quest/accessories/quest-3-zenni-vr-pres...
1. https://www.zdnet.com/article/first-look-heres-what-apples-v...
> No VR company has ever catered for those with faulty vision.
For what it's worth, the HTC Vive Flow and XR Elite headsets have adjustable diopter lenses, and the Bigscreen Beyond headset can be bought with first-party made-to-order prescription lenses that attach to magnets built into it.
For what it's worth, the HTC Vive Flow and XR Elite headsets have adjustable diopter lenses, and the Bigscreen Beyond headset can be bought with first-party made-to-order prescription lenses that attach to magnets built into it.
I hate to ask too much identifying information but I would love to know your demographics.
From my personal anecdotal experience (born around the mid 80s) by the time I was in school you were more of a target of ridicule for making fun of glasses than wearing them.
From my personal anecdotal experience (born around the mid 80s) by the time I was in school you were more of a target of ridicule for making fun of glasses than wearing them.
Sure, This was in the UK and this was in the years of 2000-2005 -- secondary school.
I had acne, was overweight ish, disabilities and wore glasses and computers. Im 34 now.
I had acne, was overweight ish, disabilities and wore glasses and computers. Im 34 now.
why does that make you angry? if anything it normalizes wearing glasses.
I always find it ironic when reporters talk about surveillance when they have about 100 ad trackers, shoveling keywords of the articles to advertisers so they can track and show specific ads to you.
I won’t hangout with people wearing this shit.