Musk shut off Starlink to prevent Ukraine attack on Russian ships(arstechnica.com)
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Musk shut off Starlink to prevent Ukraine attack on Russian ships
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/09/how-am-i-in-this-war-book-details-musks-doubts-on-starlink-in-ukraine/
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Yeah agreed with this.
There is a version of this where SpaceX, through a standard process, refused service for military purposes, as described in their ToS. And there is another version where a single individual unilaterally took a reactive action.
I think these are two very different stories and it's honestly not clear to me from the current reporting which is closer to the reality.
There is a version of this where SpaceX, through a standard process, refused service for military purposes, as described in their ToS. And there is another version where a single individual unilaterally took a reactive action.
I think these are two very different stories and it's honestly not clear to me from the current reporting which is closer to the reality.
Starlink terms of service explicitly prohibits military use.
https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1020-91087-64
https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1020-91087-64
Never thought that Republicans would be all in with Russia. Strange world.
A CEO trying to prevent harm to his company and also to increase returns to his (mainly American) shareholders is considered 'all in with Russia'.
Strange world.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He probably cares more about his shareholders' opinion of him than your opinion of him.
Strange world.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He probably cares more about his shareholders' opinion of him than your opinion of him.
I know right? I'm an older person so I remember Reagan's "Evil Empire". It's gobsmacking.
TIL people can't tell the difference between Soviet communists, and Russians.
Different flag. A little less land. Fewer people occupied.
Same people in charge. Soviet government officials are now Russian government officials.
Same people in charge. Soviet government officials are now Russian government officials.
Those same people would have to have been hired (at the latest) in 1991. Most ex-Soviets have retired or passed on by now.
This whole thread is very off topic for HN so I shouldn't even engage, but this comment just seems so bizarre that I feel weird not responding: The current leader of Russia is Vladimir Putin, who certainly can be described as an ex-Soviet, having begun his career working for the Soviet intelligence service. His inner circle mostly share that same background.
Am I missing your point?
Am I missing your point?
Yes.
He worked for a Communist state, he was not personally invested in the ideology beyond what was necessary to succeed in his organization. This describes many, many Russians.
He worked for a Communist state, he was not personally invested in the ideology beyond what was necessary to succeed in his organization. This describes many, many Russians.
I think "you can't call people who were in the KGB ex-soviets because they did not have strong attachment to communist ideology" is an indefensible assertion.
If these people were a farmers or factory workers or something, sure. But these were people who worked and fought for the soviet state, not just workaday citizens.
If the current government of the US collapses, and whatever government we end up with afterward is eventually run by a cadre of career CIA agents, it will be very fair to call them whatever the equivalent of "ex-soviet" will be, even if they don't ever talk about their ideological attachment to constitutional republics.
If these people were a farmers or factory workers or something, sure. But these were people who worked and fought for the soviet state, not just workaday citizens.
If the current government of the US collapses, and whatever government we end up with afterward is eventually run by a cadre of career CIA agents, it will be very fair to call them whatever the equivalent of "ex-soviet" will be, even if they don't ever talk about their ideological attachment to constitutional republics.
It's entirely defensible, in that I don't consider most people who used to have/could've had a USSR passport to be doctrinaire communists, or even in a position to make policy. The # of people who were politically committed Russians in the mid-80's who are even alive now is vanishingly small. It was always a gerontocracy.
Likewise, in 1986 there were close to 500,000 KGB employees. How many of them do you think were in leadership positions then, that are also in leadership positions in the FSB/GRU now?
Likewise, in 1986 there were close to 500,000 KGB employees. How many of them do you think were in leadership positions then, that are also in leadership positions in the FSB/GRU now?
I mean, we covered this in my Russian Politics class in detail. Even during soviet times, every non-russian soviet state had russian politicians working behind the scenes. And many of the leaders/powerful people in Russia today are the inheritors of the power structure of the immediate aftermath of the collapse of the soviet union. I suspect many people you think are ignorant are actually quite aware of the subtle relationship between the two.
“Inheritors of the power structure”; i.e. they had inherited authority in what was effectively a new state in economic & demographic collapse. Do you think that all of them believe, now as then, that the situation they found themselves in in 1992 was entirely exogenous to the Soviet system?
The imperial mindset of Russians who think lands outside their borders belong to them gives me the same "look and feel" as Soviet communists
There is certainly much truth to that observation; but there is a difference in principle.
If Putin can barely tell the difference why should we?
I've never heard Putin say much in favor of either Bolshevism or Soviet command economics; other than how the collapse of the former resulted in a terrible situation for the post-soviet Russian economy.
Stop feeding Starlink rich government contracts. This shouldn’t be handled by a private contractor at all
The issue was the lack of a rich government contract
As a CEO, Musk is obliged to look out for the best interests of Starlink and Starlink's shareholders (mostly Americans), and not allow somebody to paint a target on Starlink's back. The Russians are very capable of blasting those Starlink satellites out of orbit.
While markedly less dramatic, the NYT version of events seems much more realistic and defensible.
I'm very pro-Ukraine and anti-Musk, but I do think it's interesting the difference in coverage this is getting compared to the Googlers walking out over the DOD contracts