Ask HN: What Is the Case for Web3?
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There seems to be a huge disconnect in this community about Web3. Every day, billion dollar startups are reaching new milestones in Web3.
Tokenization and ownership are huge. Ecosystems like Stacks (https://www.stacks.co/explore/discover-apps) have hundreds of Web3 apps already running and providing value.
The value provided by Web3 is simple: now you can program property and ownership on the web.
This changes banking, finance, publishing, social media, etc. It's a huge change because users can take their data across platforms and avoid lock in. Imagine a single social profile that works across platforms (one single profile for Facebook, Twitter, Insta, etc). The possibilities are endless.
I suggest you keep digging in and make up your own mind. Don't let dismissive one liners dissuade you from learning.
Disclosure: I'm a founder of Web3 protocol called Bitfari.
Tokenization and ownership are huge. Ecosystems like Stacks (https://www.stacks.co/explore/discover-apps) have hundreds of Web3 apps already running and providing value.
The value provided by Web3 is simple: now you can program property and ownership on the web.
This changes banking, finance, publishing, social media, etc. It's a huge change because users can take their data across platforms and avoid lock in. Imagine a single social profile that works across platforms (one single profile for Facebook, Twitter, Insta, etc). The possibilities are endless.
I suggest you keep digging in and make up your own mind. Don't let dismissive one liners dissuade you from learning.
Disclosure: I'm a founder of Web3 protocol called Bitfari.
> The value provided by Web3 is simple: now you can program property and ownership on the web.
Can you please define "property and ownership", and why do you feel that's relevant?
> This changes banking, finance, publishing, social media, etc.
Does it, though?
Can you provide a single example you feel is the best showcase of web3, and point out exactly where was the value added?
Can you please define "property and ownership", and why do you feel that's relevant?
> This changes banking, finance, publishing, social media, etc.
Does it, though?
Can you provide a single example you feel is the best showcase of web3, and point out exactly where was the value added?
Head to coinmarketcap for hundreds of disruptive web3 examples. To answer your question go to https://livepeer.com and look at a decentralized live streaming platform that provide savings today.
Also look up IPFS here https://ipfs.io - that will disrupt Amazon S3 among other services.
Also look up IPFS here https://ipfs.io - that will disrupt Amazon S3 among other services.
> Head to coinmarketcap for hundreds of disruptive web3 examples. To answer your question go to https://livepeer.com and look at a decentralized live streaming platform that provide savings today.
Sorry, that is a cheap attempt at avoiding the question.
And one which demonstrates your inability and unwillingness to even point out a single example you deem reasonable.
If you are unable to provide a single example of value being added, doesn't that mean that there is no tangible value being created?
Hand-waiving does not work.
Sorry, that is a cheap attempt at avoiding the question.
And one which demonstrates your inability and unwillingness to even point out a single example you deem reasonable.
If you are unable to provide a single example of value being added, doesn't that mean that there is no tangible value being created?
Hand-waiving does not work.
Respectfully, I think you are an idiot. Let me explain: I've provided a single example when mentioning Livepeer below (it provides video streaming at a 95% discount). However, you chose to look over it, plus dismiss the entire trillion dollar crypto industry because you should be served the single example or answer that saves you from thinking or doing your own research. Essentially, the behavior of an idiot.
Bitcoin provides millions with a free bank account. That is the single best example of the value Web 3 provides. But you choose to avoid it. You also chose to overlook the Livepeer example, and even the entire Coinmarketcap list.
I think you should just continue looking the other way, because you just don't understand what's happening. No problem, in a decade you will.
Bitcoin provides millions with a free bank account. That is the single best example of the value Web 3 provides. But you choose to avoid it. You also chose to overlook the Livepeer example, and even the entire Coinmarketcap list.
I think you should just continue looking the other way, because you just don't understand what's happening. No problem, in a decade you will.
Yes. The interoperability is a major point and is not really addressed as a Web3 benefit as much as it should be. Take the IPFS protocol. A single hash can link to a resource understood by an infinite number of distributed systems. This idea of Web3 consensus, infinite scalability is what Web3 means to me.
There is no case. Web3 assumes that people prefer privacy over free stuff, which is false.
Disclosure: I don't hold any crypto and I don't work in the space, but I have worked in traditional finance hedge funds for many years.
Don't get your crypto, or more generally finance, news from HN. Reading most comments here it's obvious that most have no idea what they are talking about. They are so far removed from anything finance-related and just jumping on a bandwagon.
The value of web3 is difficult to explain because different aspects of it appeal to different people. For example, the vision of having the same financial instruments globally accessible to anyone with all transaction data publicly available is appealing to me. Imagine you had all of Robinhoods data public and could copy it to make a better product. Wouldn't that be cool? That's happening all the time in web3. The same goes for AMMs, which is a different paradigm than traditional HFT MM liquidity provisioning that's less transparent.
Even though there are many flaws, I can see it becoming a viable alternative to the current fully centralized and regulated alternative, which in many cases is just as scammy. The difference is that the scams aren't obvious because they are not public. Due to the developer platform, market cycles in crypto are much faster than in traditional finance. TradFi breaks just as much as crypto does, but the clock time is slower. On the other hand, this "code is law" approach makes no sense to me, but it may appeal to others.
Perhaps more than being bullish about web3, over the last few years I've become more bearish about web2. Looking at how bad Google search has gotten, how spammy reddit comments, youtube comments, and all social media are, how full of bots twitter is, etc. Many of these emergent behaviors are due to the advertising model that underlies the current web. I don't know how web3 can fix that, but currently it seems to be the only, or at least most significant, push to try something different here.
The metaverse angle is another one. Take games for example. People have always spent money on digital items, even 20 years ago when we played the earliest MMOs. Yes, NFT are 99% scams, but the idea that you want to build a global shared economy with provable ownership around goods not tied to the physical world is pretty obvious.
On the very highest level, I think people are are overestimating how important it is that goods are tied to the physical world (like a company owning physical assets reflected in the stock price). As lives are becoming more and more digital, your amount of e.g. Twitter followers is such an asset as well, not so different from owning a building.
Don't get your crypto, or more generally finance, news from HN. Reading most comments here it's obvious that most have no idea what they are talking about. They are so far removed from anything finance-related and just jumping on a bandwagon.
The value of web3 is difficult to explain because different aspects of it appeal to different people. For example, the vision of having the same financial instruments globally accessible to anyone with all transaction data publicly available is appealing to me. Imagine you had all of Robinhoods data public and could copy it to make a better product. Wouldn't that be cool? That's happening all the time in web3. The same goes for AMMs, which is a different paradigm than traditional HFT MM liquidity provisioning that's less transparent.
Even though there are many flaws, I can see it becoming a viable alternative to the current fully centralized and regulated alternative, which in many cases is just as scammy. The difference is that the scams aren't obvious because they are not public. Due to the developer platform, market cycles in crypto are much faster than in traditional finance. TradFi breaks just as much as crypto does, but the clock time is slower. On the other hand, this "code is law" approach makes no sense to me, but it may appeal to others.
Perhaps more than being bullish about web3, over the last few years I've become more bearish about web2. Looking at how bad Google search has gotten, how spammy reddit comments, youtube comments, and all social media are, how full of bots twitter is, etc. Many of these emergent behaviors are due to the advertising model that underlies the current web. I don't know how web3 can fix that, but currently it seems to be the only, or at least most significant, push to try something different here.
The metaverse angle is another one. Take games for example. People have always spent money on digital items, even 20 years ago when we played the earliest MMOs. Yes, NFT are 99% scams, but the idea that you want to build a global shared economy with provable ownership around goods not tied to the physical world is pretty obvious.
On the very highest level, I think people are are overestimating how important it is that goods are tied to the physical world (like a company owning physical assets reflected in the stock price). As lives are becoming more and more digital, your amount of e.g. Twitter followers is such an asset as well, not so different from owning a building.
> with all transaction data publicly available is appealing to me
Do you see any problems with everyone's transaction data being publicly available for all to see?
How many people or businesses would want their data public, regardless of any potential societal benefits?
Do you see any problems with everyone's transaction data being publicly available for all to see?
How many people or businesses would want their data public, regardless of any potential societal benefits?
"over the last few years I've become more bearish about web2. Looking at how bad Google search has gotten, how spammy reddit comments, youtube comments, and all social media are, how full of bots twitter is, etc. Many of these emergent behaviors are due to the advertising model that underlies the current web."
You're 100% right about this. This is one of these things that seems so obvious, but I hadn't considered until I read this. Infact I'd say there is a large portion of the popular (web2) internet which is junk.
You're 100% right about this. This is one of these things that seems so obvious, but I hadn't considered until I read this. Infact I'd say there is a large portion of the popular (web2) internet which is junk.
> The value of web3 is difficult to explain because different aspects of it appeal to different people.
The problem with web3 is that no one can actually explain the value of web3, even when they are free to point out what they feel is the absolute best example available.
Instead, web3 proponents degenerate their discussion to buzzword-riddled hand-waving, without providing any explanation on what value can be proposed, backed up with a real-world tangible usecase.
The problem with web3 is that no one can actually explain the value of web3, even when they are free to point out what they feel is the absolute best example available.
Instead, web3 proponents degenerate their discussion to buzzword-riddled hand-waving, without providing any explanation on what value can be proposed, backed up with a real-world tangible usecase.
However, I would like to keep an open mind about things, so I was wondering if someone here could make the case for it without resorting to vague buzzwords.