Facebook Keeps A History Of Pokes, Along With A Lot Of Other Data(forbes.com)
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Facebook Keeps A History Of Pokes, Along With A Lot Of Other Data
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/09/27/facebook-keeps-a-history-of-everyone-who-has-ever-poked-you-along-with-a-lot-of-other-data/
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There is a difference between people here knowing (or at least suspecting) that facebook keeps all that, and the lambda user.
You would be ok if gmail kept a copy of every email you sent, received, the "drafts" you saved at one point? We can suspect they keep everything and still hope they are not in the end.
I can't speak for anyone else but I would expect gmail to keep all of those emails.
I think that koopajah was implying "even after you delete it" with regards to whether or not you would be OK with Google keeping a copy of your emails.
Yes I was. I always assume the worst from a website, so I think that google keeps even a copy of the drafts emails even after deletion etc. But not everyone thinks this.
And I think it's wrong to think that most people can/should assume this without being tech-savvy etc. A lot of people use facebook without even realizing that google indexes pictures profile, wall posts, comments to facebook application. You cannot ask them to understand that facebook is able to log EVERYTHING you do on a page (clicks, mouse movements, etC.) and has the technical/hardware means to sort/keep/monetize these data
They should know, but they really don't.
And I think it's wrong to think that most people can/should assume this without being tech-savvy etc. A lot of people use facebook without even realizing that google indexes pictures profile, wall posts, comments to facebook application. You cannot ask them to understand that facebook is able to log EVERYTHING you do on a page (clicks, mouse movements, etC.) and has the technical/hardware means to sort/keep/monetize these data
They should know, but they really don't.
People really need to be educated on how this stuff works. You don't need to be tech savvy to understand that this data has some value to Facebook (maybe you have to be business savvy, or marketing savvy, etc...). Once you figure that out, it makes perfect sense that they'll keep this data around forever.
Then, once you figure that out, it should be no surprise that this info can be "found" again, whether through Europe V Facebook or Timeline, etc. Maybe Facebook (or GMail) could or should be more transparent about this, but in all honesty, I don't know if that will change anyone behavior...
Then, once you figure that out, it should be no surprise that this info can be "found" again, whether through Europe V Facebook or Timeline, etc. Maybe Facebook (or GMail) could or should be more transparent about this, but in all honesty, I don't know if that will change anyone behavior...
Nothing surprising here. The money is in the data and the more data Facebook generates about its users, the better targeting options advertisers have.
This doesn't surprise me at all. Storage is cheap, and it's a lot easier to never delete anything than to devise some system to go and clean up old "useless" information (which at some point you may find useful, e.g. this new Timeline history stuff).
I know often in the stuff I write, instead of deleting data, I toggle a "deleted" column. I always have the option to delete it for real later if I need the storage/clean up the index.
I know often in the stuff I write, instead of deleting data, I toggle a "deleted" column. I always have the option to delete it for real later if I need the storage/clean up the index.
http://facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=data_requests
european union residents can cite "Section 4 DPA + Art. 12 Directive 95/46/EG"
you can black out everything on your id except name, date of birth, and photo.
european union residents can cite "Section 4 DPA + Art. 12 Directive 95/46/EG"
you can black out everything on your id except name, date of birth, and photo.
Need to correct the following:
EU Citizens (including UK citizens) can quote Art. 12 Directive 95/46/EG
But Section 4 of the Data Protection Act only applies to UK citizens as it is a UK law, hence only UK citizens can cite that law.
EU Citizens (including UK citizens) can quote Art. 12 Directive 95/46/EG
But Section 4 of the Data Protection Act only applies to UK citizens as it is a UK law, hence only UK citizens can cite that law.
But most european countries have a privacy/data protection law.
They're using that cookie that stores the user-id post logout to figure out who's using which computer. Which means the cookie sticking around even after you log out wasn't unintended as Facebook tried to imply. The lying bastards!
I'm not sure why I got downvoted. Maybe I wasn't clear enough about what I said? Here's a link to a blogpost I made 5 mins ago that explains what I meant properly -> http://blog.arunbalan.in/2011/09/28/hey-facebook-ive-got-a-q...
Facebook is watching you: http://www.smileecards.com/card/facebook-is-watching
I always assumed they keep this kind of data in RAM only </sarcasm>
With their heavy reliance on memcache, you're probably not wrong.
The only bit that was surprising to me was the history of computers that you've logged in from, and the history of other users that have logged in on that computer. While I can see the value of identifying public computer, it is rather unnerving to think of the "Eye of Facebook" following me wherever I log in. Although it would be neat to be able to access this data and create a timeline heatmap of where you logged in most over the years.
I think legislation is soon needed to define a maximum time (e.g. one year) of storing a user's accumulated information unless he explicitly opts in for longer storage.
I don't really care if Facebook personalizes ads based on my current interests, but eternally storing private data (and making it difficult or impossible to delete the older data) is a completely different issue.
I don't really care if Facebook personalizes ads based on my current interests, but eternally storing private data (and making it difficult or impossible to delete the older data) is a completely different issue.
Can Americans get copies or their full files as well? Downloading your profile data does not have the depth of detail this does. I would love to have it all. For myself, though, not to share with everyone (like timeline).
How is that news?:O
Shocking.
Reminds me of when a friend of mine clicked on "Messages" and was shocked to see IM and Inbox conversations from 2007 with people she no longer knows. I had to say... What did you expect? When did Facebook ever say anything about deleting data after a certain time?