The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?(theatlantic.com)

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The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/07/american-boogaloo-meme-or-terrorist-movement/613843/

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This article, written from the perspective of someone who clearly "gets up close" with that particular scene, is far more interesting:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-move...

TL;DR: It's about as coherent as you would imagine for something that self-organized on 4chan.

pmoriarty6 anni fa

Also see:

The Meme-Fueled Rise of a Dangerous, Far-Right Militia[1] and The Boogaloo Tipping Point[2].

[1] - https://www.wired.com/story/boogaloo-movement-protests

[2] - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/07/ameri...

ForHackernews6 anni fa

> and The Boogaloo Tipping Point[2].

> [2] - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/07/ameri....

Literally the article you're commenting on. :)

hprotagonist6 anni fa

I keep thinking of Maniac Magee and reading it as a child and thinking then that Jerry Spinelli was describing ancient history that we’d never see again.

drewcon6 anni fa

It’s really unfortunate to see such an unchallenged application of the label “libertarian” here. Put aside your own feelings for a moment.

Highlighting any connection between libertarianism with the alt-right, white supremacy, or anti-government militias seems as disingenuous as the superficial connection between atheism and fascist communism.

In either case, does the ideology overlap in convenient areas (to the negative ideologies), yes, probably. It’s easier to command absolute fealty of the state without god in the way. It’s easier to preach radical, violent white supremacist anarcho-capitalism with the state out of the picture. But does libertarianism espouse, promote, or a natural evolution that ends in The Boogaloo? Absolutely not, and it’s ridiculous for a journalist not to ask and answer those questions.

flywheel6 anni fa

I've run into far too many aggressively toxic, self proclaimed "libertarians" on the internet. So when the article mentioned "libertarian" in the context of the "boogaloo" idiots, it didn't surprise me at all. Libertarianism has changed a bit with the times, as have Democrats and Republicans. All kinds of bad ideas have crept in, after fermenting on the internet.

stonogo6 anni fa

Not all of them are racists, but all of them are libertarians. The writer doesn't do a good job of clarifying that, but it's not like applying the label is inaccurate.

someguydave6 anni fa

It’s the same rhetorical trick that allows folks in all-Democrat city and state governments to blame Republicans for all the problems.

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RickyInHell6 anni fa

and also i think that this idea that the boogaloo movement is some how bad comes from CONINTELPRO or some modern equal to it

h2odragon6 anni fa

Boogaloo Bois and Nazi Bronies; clearly the people at the Atlantic are besieged by right wing terror recently. I'm personally waiting for the ranks of marching Nazi's with rainbow uniforms and strap on unicorn horns, haven't seen any yet but thanks to the vigilance of modern media I know to listen for the menacing "clop" of approaching hoof boots.

RickyInHell6 anni fa

The Boogaloo movement is not a terrorist movement, we wish to accomplish the movements goals as peacefully as possible but we also don't want the nations standard to be a "War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength." because that is where this nation seems to be headed and if our second amendment rights are gone than if a government even more tyrannical than the present administration takes power we will have nothing to defend ourselves with.

m0zg6 anni fa

Rarely do you see a "writer" so far detached from reality. Recommended read, just to see what that looks like.

skrebbel6 anni fa

Care to elaborate? This is the first time I hear about the "boogaloo" thing

davidlumley6 anni fa

Robert Evans and Jason Wilson have a pretty good overview here: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-move...

skrebbel6 anni fa

wow, that's an amazing level of depth! really cool article

devmunchies6 anni fa

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m0zg6 anni fa

"If there was ever a time for bois to _stand in solidarity_ ..."

Emphasis is mine. That phrase is used almost exclusively by far leftists, and comes from Marxism/Leninism (haven never actually read any of it, the vast majority of leftists do not know where the phrase comes from).

It could be that this exact phrasing is used on purpose, actually, as a form of trolling IRL to appeal to the far left types and try to provoke violence against the government (which will eventually blow back pretty hard - patience is wearing thin already, even in ultra-liberal places like Portland or Seattle).

I still can't really imagine, however, that the overwhelmingly pro-police conservatives could advocate shooting cops. This seems like far left, "tear down the system" shit to me. "The world is about to change its foundation. We are nothing, let us be all." The Russian translation, BTW, literally translates as "We will destroy the world of violence to its foundation, and then, we will build our new world, those who were nothing will be all".