Request HN: Something nice for reaching 1000 karma
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I don't want people chasing karma here. I especially don't want to encourage it for something they can solve with one line in their user stylesheet. "Hackers", indeed.
I became so troubled by my own reaction that I added a couple lines of CSS to disable the absolute counter in the corner of every page. That number is toxic.
https://imgur.com/a/uPnW7bT
I became so troubled by my own reaction that I added a couple lines of CSS to disable the absolute counter in the corner of every page. That number is toxic.
https://imgur.com/a/uPnW7bT
I use it as someone-might-have-replied-to-your-comment indicator, if I see it change there's a high chance someone interacted with me and I wouldn't notice it otherwise.
There are a couple free services that will email you, which is more reliable. I’ve been using http://hnreplies.com for awhile.
I’m not saying that means you should hide your karma.
I’m not saying that means you should hide your karma.
Why not share your CSS?
Not sure if it still works: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/28820-hacker-news-hide-you...
Oh, this is JavaScript. I was curious to see how ken was doing it with CSS. Thanks though. Your userscript does indeed still work.
Here's a CSS-only hacky version I threw together:
#hnmain td td:last-child .pagetop {
font-size: 0;
}
#hnmain td td:last-child .pagetop a {
font-size: 10pt;
}
#hnmain td td:last-child .pagetop a:first-child::after {
content: ' | ';
}Is this LightTable Chris Granger?
Afraid not. I'm pretty sure he has an account here though.
Edit: his username is ibdknox.
Edit: his username is ibdknox.
Oh okay, thanks for the response anyways!
Not sure if you caught my edit. Just making sure. His username is ibdknox.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Rather than thinking there should be a "nice" thing we get, we should ask, does anything need to be added/changed?
HN already fixed my biggest pet-peeves: collapsable comments and the ability to undo an accidental up/down vote.
HN already fixed my biggest pet-peeves: collapsable comments and the ability to undo an accidental up/down vote.
> does anything need to be added/changed
The background color when reaching 1000 karma, for instance.
Just kidding ;) My post was not meant to be taken 100% seriously. I just thought it might be nice to brainstorm about what could happen at 1000. I agree that pretty much all of the must have features are there already.
The background color when reaching 1000 karma, for instance.
Just kidding ;) My post was not meant to be taken 100% seriously. I just thought it might be nice to brainstorm about what could happen at 1000. I agree that pretty much all of the must have features are there already.
> and the ability to undo an accidental up/down vote.
I think you can already do that via the "unvote" href that appears after voting--at least for upvotes; I almost never downvote, so I don't know if the reverse is true. I believe it is, though.
I think you can already do that via the "unvote" href that appears after voting--at least for upvotes; I almost never downvote, so I don't know if the reverse is true. I believe it is, though.
Do we really want people chasing karma on here? I'd be tempted to go the other way, and limit the visibility and usefulness of it. I.e., on user profiles just show "between 1-50 karma", "500+ karma".
Given that the content quality here is high, chasing karma could be a good thing, if it encourages additional high-quality, thought-provoking discussion. People should be rewarded for sharing content like that.
I'm skeptical of the notion that karma is gained through high-quality and thought-provoking discussion; in fact, in my experience (with previous accounts on this site and other sites with point/karma systems) is that thoughts which conform to pre-conceived notions, thoughts which sound clever (but may not be) and re-framing of old rigorous concepts in new sheen with new words gain the most karma. The illusion that good discussion is rewarded ignores the fact that despite thinking we are (and some even striving to be) we don't optimize our reward system for good discussion, we optimize it for things we like - which even for the readers of Hacker News(!) turns out to be not far off modern status-quo pleasing.
As a corollary to my point, we'd also like thought-provoking material rather than pure provocateurs. But I'd take an intelligent provocateur over a philosophically/historically uninformed HN comment any day of the week.
As a corollary to my point, we'd also like thought-provoking material rather than pure provocateurs. But I'd take an intelligent provocateur over a philosophically/historically uninformed HN comment any day of the week.
Sometimes I upvote things I agree with.
Mostly I upvote if the user posted interesting/useful information.
Sometimes I upvote things I disagree with if I think it promotes a good discussion.
Mostly I upvote if the user posted interesting/useful information.
Sometimes I upvote things I disagree with if I think it promotes a good discussion.
Submitting links also deeply skews the karma curve compared to regular commenting. A good submission that hits and gets to the top of the front page and stays there for a while can easily garner a few hundred internet points, and there is no risk of getting brigaded for an unpopular opinion. Even with points on submissions getting debuffed what seems like n/2 or something close to that (in any case it does not seem to be a one-to-one correspondence between the submission's point total and the increase to the submitter's score), submitting stories raises far more points than grinding in the comments.
As this brief discussion of the HN metagame shows, anything that gets a number stuck next to it will attract people to optimizing it like flies to a manure pile...
As this brief discussion of the HN metagame shows, anything that gets a number stuck next to it will attract people to optimizing it like flies to a manure pile...
Isn't partaking in thought-provoking discussion reward enough?
This also seems like one of those things where Goodhart's law may apply.
This also seems like one of those things where Goodhart's law may apply.
We should really do that across the whole site (on comments, for instance, and stories), not just in user profiles.
It should show: floor(ln(karma))
The purpose of karma is to be chased, it's supposed to be addictive.
The utility of it as a means of operant conditioning and positive behavioral reinforcement can be debated (personally, I wish it would be done away with) but chasing karma is already a part of the site.
The utility of it as a means of operant conditioning and positive behavioral reinforcement can be debated (personally, I wish it would be done away with) but chasing karma is already a part of the site.
Anybody want to suggest other possibilities?
Downvote posts? Not that I would really personally use that, but it seems the logical next step with the other "powers" unlocked at karma milestones.
My concern with any change made is that it would encourage people to try and get a bunch of karma which could have unforeseen effects on the quality of discussion/submissions. I'm sure you'll be taking that into account for any change made, though.
My concern with any change made is that it would encourage people to try and get a bunch of karma which could have unforeseen effects on the quality of discussion/submissions. I'm sure you'll be taking that into account for any change made, though.
Not allowing post downvotes is, IMO, a key factor in what allows HN to be such a great community. Subreddits that allow downvoting, for instance, often see topics that would expand their contributors' horizons "die in New" not because they are against the rules, per say, but because the user who happens to see them first thinks "this isn't my cup of tea." Flagging is the right answer - let people flag flagrant rule violations, but don't let them kill things they find uninteresting. That allows interesting content to rise for everyone.
There is already a hide function that will hide posts and its comments. People need to use it more instead of flagging stories they just don't want to see, or complaining about how those stories aren't "Hacker News material"
Downvoting posts could be used to build algorithmic feeds, so users could see content corresponding to the ratio of items they voted up or down. But that might be too much of a "social media" feature and I could see Hacker News getting out the torches and pitchforks for something like that.
Downvoting posts could be used to build algorithmic feeds, so users could see content corresponding to the ratio of items they voted up or down. But that might be too much of a "social media" feature and I could see Hacker News getting out the torches and pitchforks for something like that.
In other communities, clicking a "downvote" button should open the modal for reporting rule violations, allowing the user to select the correct type.
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> Downvote posts?
I think both in practice and in theory the function downvotes serve for comments are served by flags on posts.
I think both in practice and in theory the function downvotes serve for comments are served by flags on posts.
Hide all karma scoring from the entire site once a user reaches 1000 karma.
“Enlightenment mode”
This would be a nice feature.
Actually the ability to change the background as already suggested, just like the top, would be great.
Dark mode.
I know, I know, that's an old one as well. But hey, it would be really really nice.
I know, I know, that's an old one as well. But hey, it would be really really nice.
A nice T-shirt?
The option to buy a nice T-shirt would be cool.
Maybe an orange shirt (thick cotton, I hate those thin cheap ones), with a white "HN" surrounded by a white box outline.
Maybe an orange shirt (thick cotton, I hate those thin cheap ones), with a white "HN" surrounded by a white box outline.
I recently crossed 10k - I don't think anything happens at that point. Above a certain point, I don't think it really matters. The idea is to constrain actions a little bit to ensure quality, not necessarily reward upvotes.
I was kind of hoping I would get automatic mod powers at 10k and then I could go on a ban spree but no luck.
You don't need to get something "nice" for building up karma points. It's supposed to be its own reward.
That's why it's called "karma".
That's why it's called "karma".
What happens at each of these benchmarks?
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Get yourself something nice, like a cookie.
what do we get at 250 and 500 ?
If I recall correctly, the ability to flag, and the ability to downvote.
Flagging kicks in above 30. After 250 you can change your top bar color. After 500 you can downvote.
Oh, thanks for the correction. I'm using a custom stylesheet, so I've "always" been able to change my top bar color and didn't notice that that required a certain level of karma.
May be give us the ability to change the background color or something?