Ask HN: Learning phone development - iPhone or Windows 7 Phone?
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Windows 7 is non-existent in the market.
Learn Android, that's where the future is. The iPhone reigns supreme, at least for 2010, but after that it's an Android world.
iPhone is alright, but it's getting marginalized by Android pretty quickly. The prickly antics of its owner are not helping either. Steve Jobs is a visionary whose vision is just a tad bit too imposing.
You can develop for Android without having a phone handset, from any desktop OS, using any tools you damn like. Best of all, you can sell your software, any kind of software (that's isn't harmful) to users. On top of that, it's Free, and actually beautiful, both in appearance and API; the people working on it are reachable, and very much approachable. Not some corporate head-honchos locked in a lab. It's worked on by hundreds of companies, employing thousands of developers.
Android is the best thing to happen to computing in the last 10+ years; it will have the same impact for mobile computing as "LAMP" for server side, and "GCC" for systems programming.
Learn Android, that's where the future is. The iPhone reigns supreme, at least for 2010, but after that it's an Android world.
iPhone is alright, but it's getting marginalized by Android pretty quickly. The prickly antics of its owner are not helping either. Steve Jobs is a visionary whose vision is just a tad bit too imposing.
You can develop for Android without having a phone handset, from any desktop OS, using any tools you damn like. Best of all, you can sell your software, any kind of software (that's isn't harmful) to users. On top of that, it's Free, and actually beautiful, both in appearance and API; the people working on it are reachable, and very much approachable. Not some corporate head-honchos locked in a lab. It's worked on by hundreds of companies, employing thousands of developers.
Android is the best thing to happen to computing in the last 10+ years; it will have the same impact for mobile computing as "LAMP" for server side, and "GCC" for systems programming.
Absolutely agree on Android being the future, but oddly enough the very fact that you can develop using any tools you like creates a barrier to new developers. Too many options sometimes mean you spend too much time faffing about finding the perfect development environment and then jumping from one to the other. The great thing about iOS is that there really is only one way to develop for it so you immediately just jump in and start writing software.
I agree to an extent, but I'm fairly new to the Android platform and I'm still using the Eclipse+ADT setup described in the official Getting started guide.
I've never been a fan of Eclipse, I used it a while back before moving to NetBeans for Java work, but for the work I've done so far in Android it works just fine and for the most part gets the hell out of the way - and when I want it to get in the way it usually has a wizard to help me out while I'm still green.
I think this is definitely good for new Droid devs, especially those that are new to programming in general - the books I've read, the online material I've read, and the official guides all have used the same development environment. So my opinion is that althrough you CAN use anything you want, you're guided towards the Elipse way unless you know what you're doing enough to work how you want to work.
I've never been a fan of Eclipse, I used it a while back before moving to NetBeans for Java work, but for the work I've done so far in Android it works just fine and for the most part gets the hell out of the way - and when I want it to get in the way it usually has a wizard to help me out while I'm still green.
I think this is definitely good for new Droid devs, especially those that are new to programming in general - the books I've read, the online material I've read, and the official guides all have used the same development environment. So my opinion is that althrough you CAN use anything you want, you're guided towards the Elipse way unless you know what you're doing enough to work how you want to work.
I personally don't see Android becoming the king anytime soon. Once Apple releases iPhone for Verizon, they will double their market instantly. I guess the data that would better provide the estimate will be how many android users are on At&T today.
>>Learn Android, that's where the future is.
It's pretty early to tell, but not a bad prediction at all.
It's pretty early to tell, but not a bad prediction at all.
Over the last few years Microsoft has had a history of late, me too products that ultimately go nowhere. I see no reason to believe that the Windows Phone will be an exception. Ignore it.
However you do have a real choice. Do you want to learn the iPhone or Android? Right now the iPhone has a much better organized marketplace. However Android is selling faster and is rapidly gaining market share. It is unclear which will win in the long run. (I personally prefer Android's chances, but it is close.)
One benefit to Android is that you'll be on a much more standard computing platform. So if you decide that you want to move out of phones, you'll likely find C++ and Java to be more employable than Objective C.
My belief is that both will be players for some time. So pick either one and learn it. If it turns out to be the wrong choice in the long run, you will be able to switch later. Sure, you'll face a learning curve. But your previous experience will help.
However you do have a real choice. Do you want to learn the iPhone or Android? Right now the iPhone has a much better organized marketplace. However Android is selling faster and is rapidly gaining market share. It is unclear which will win in the long run. (I personally prefer Android's chances, but it is close.)
One benefit to Android is that you'll be on a much more standard computing platform. So if you decide that you want to move out of phones, you'll likely find C++ and Java to be more employable than Objective C.
My belief is that both will be players for some time. So pick either one and learn it. If it turns out to be the wrong choice in the long run, you will be able to switch later. Sure, you'll face a learning curve. But your previous experience will help.
If you're used to writing Microsoft compatible software, WP7 will be easier, iPhone's the same for OSX, Android's probably a bit easier if you're happier in Linux land but I wouldn't know.
WP7 right now has a small market but isn't flooded with products. You have an opportunity with Windows Phone 7 to gain first mover advantage with your product that you won't necessarily have with Android or iPhone.
With iPhone, charging for your product, unless it meets a particular niche is unlikely to be viable in the long term. If you can make money from in-product purchases and can promote your product in a crowded market, iPhone is probably the way to go right now.
Android is gaining popularity and the question with Android isn't just phones but what else would you run the app on? (e.g. TVs)
Incidentally you have the same question with iPhone (iPad, iPod Touch and a possible future AppleTV store).
I would recommend that you look at the app you want to make. If you pick something fairly simple that exists in a niche without too much competition you can test the water for each. You might need to rewrite code, but you would be able to reuse algorithms and patterns in a large amount of cases.
WP7 right now has a small market but isn't flooded with products. You have an opportunity with Windows Phone 7 to gain first mover advantage with your product that you won't necessarily have with Android or iPhone.
With iPhone, charging for your product, unless it meets a particular niche is unlikely to be viable in the long term. If you can make money from in-product purchases and can promote your product in a crowded market, iPhone is probably the way to go right now.
Android is gaining popularity and the question with Android isn't just phones but what else would you run the app on? (e.g. TVs)
Incidentally you have the same question with iPhone (iPad, iPod Touch and a possible future AppleTV store).
I would recommend that you look at the app you want to make. If you pick something fairly simple that exists in a niche without too much competition you can test the water for each. You might need to rewrite code, but you would be able to reuse algorithms and patterns in a large amount of cases.
Disclaimer: I'm a current iphone developer so I'm obviously slightly biased.
(a) quicker/easier: I've programmed in .NET, and I would say Microsoft's development tools make programming very easy. If you have previous experience in Java or C#, Windows Phone 7 programming should be easier to pick up.
(b) more useful in the future: debatable but I don't see iOS going away anytime soon. No harm in learning both.
(c) greater chance for earning income: iPhone, no question. Windows Phone is definitely an unknown quantity at this point. If you want to make money right now, iPhone offers by far the largest market.
Regarding Android, while it's true that it is growing in marketshare compared to iPhone the app store is a bit of a mess. Rampant piracy, poor payment options, and lack of discoverability means that the App Store is still a much more attractive market than Android Market, at least for now.
Of course this could all change in the coming years, it's tough to predict the future. But if I were going to learn mobile programming, I would learn iPhone first, Android second, Windows third.
(a) quicker/easier: I've programmed in .NET, and I would say Microsoft's development tools make programming very easy. If you have previous experience in Java or C#, Windows Phone 7 programming should be easier to pick up.
(b) more useful in the future: debatable but I don't see iOS going away anytime soon. No harm in learning both.
(c) greater chance for earning income: iPhone, no question. Windows Phone is definitely an unknown quantity at this point. If you want to make money right now, iPhone offers by far the largest market.
Regarding Android, while it's true that it is growing in marketshare compared to iPhone the app store is a bit of a mess. Rampant piracy, poor payment options, and lack of discoverability means that the App Store is still a much more attractive market than Android Market, at least for now.
Of course this could all change in the coming years, it's tough to predict the future. But if I were going to learn mobile programming, I would learn iPhone first, Android second, Windows third.
Android or iPhone. Don't touch Windows 7. The media has completely fallen out of love with Microsoft, so by writing for Windows 7, you have a big strike against you if your app is the kind that would be eligible for media attention.
Depending on what you need to do something like Appcelerator http://www.appcelerator.com might be of some use. Dunno if they are planning on Windows Phone 7 compatibility.
I'm interested in your thoughts on (a) what's easier/quicker to learn, (b) which will be more useful in the future, (c) which will offer a greater chance for earning income, and (d) whatever you thin is good advice...