Ask HN: Modern web design resources?
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I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean by web design. So lets start there.
a. The look: the graphic design of the page.
b. The interaction: Usability and UX
c. Designing and coding with good software design principles.
d. Some thing else?
I can point you to some good books for b. or c., however a. is the holy grail. I have never found a good book on web design from a graphic design perspective. That said Ill share with you what I would consider the closest I have found.
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a. (Web site Graphic Design)
* The non Designer's design book - http://www.amazon.com/Non-Designers-Design-Book-Robin-Willia...
* Visual Language for Designers - http://www.amazon.com/Visual-Language-Designers-Principles-U...
* Tuft's Envisioning Information - http://www.amazon.com/Envisioning-Information-Edward-R-Tufte...
* I have found some good online articles http://delicious.com/csmeder/ux
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b. (Usability and UX)
* Web Form Design: Filling in the Blanks - http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp
* The Design of Sites: Patterns for Creating Winning Web Sites - http://www.amazon.com/Design-Sites-Patterns-Creating-Winning...
* And again Tuft's Envisioning Information - http://www.amazon.com/Envisioning-Information-Edward-R-Tufte...
* Information Design Workbook http://www.amazon.com/Information-Design-Workbook-approaches...
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c. (software design and coding)
* Bulletproof Web Design - http://www.amazon.com/Bulletproof-Web-Design-flexibility-pro...
* Handcrafted CSS - http://www.amazon.com/Handcrafted-CSS-More-Bulletproof-Desig...
* jQuery in Action - http://www.amazon.com/jQuery-Action-Second-Bear-Bibeault/dp/...
a. The look: the graphic design of the page.
b. The interaction: Usability and UX
c. Designing and coding with good software design principles.
d. Some thing else?
I can point you to some good books for b. or c., however a. is the holy grail. I have never found a good book on web design from a graphic design perspective. That said Ill share with you what I would consider the closest I have found.
----------------------------------------------------------
a. (Web site Graphic Design)
* The non Designer's design book - http://www.amazon.com/Non-Designers-Design-Book-Robin-Willia...
* Visual Language for Designers - http://www.amazon.com/Visual-Language-Designers-Principles-U...
* Tuft's Envisioning Information - http://www.amazon.com/Envisioning-Information-Edward-R-Tufte...
* I have found some good online articles http://delicious.com/csmeder/ux
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b. (Usability and UX)
* Web Form Design: Filling in the Blanks - http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp
* The Design of Sites: Patterns for Creating Winning Web Sites - http://www.amazon.com/Design-Sites-Patterns-Creating-Winning...
* And again Tuft's Envisioning Information - http://www.amazon.com/Envisioning-Information-Edward-R-Tufte...
* Information Design Workbook http://www.amazon.com/Information-Design-Workbook-approaches...
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c. (software design and coding)
* Bulletproof Web Design - http://www.amazon.com/Bulletproof-Web-Design-flexibility-pro...
* Handcrafted CSS - http://www.amazon.com/Handcrafted-CSS-More-Bulletproof-Desig...
* jQuery in Action - http://www.amazon.com/jQuery-Action-Second-Bear-Bibeault/dp/...
For (a) I would recommend Mark Boulton's book, Designing for the Web, which is available free online:
http://designingfortheweb.co.uk/book/index.php
It has really competent sections dedicated to aesthetics: typography, color, and layout. That he made it free is unbelievable. It's a resource I always recommend to the developers I work with (I'm a designer) who want to understand more about design.
http://designingfortheweb.co.uk/book/index.php
It has really competent sections dedicated to aesthetics: typography, color, and layout. That he made it free is unbelievable. It's a resource I always recommend to the developers I work with (I'm a designer) who want to understand more about design.
Here are some other related websites that might interest you:
http://www.moreofit.com/similar-to/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdesigni...
http://www.moreofit.com/similar-to/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdesigni...
I found the SitePoint book "The Principles of Beautiful Web Design" (http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Beautiful-Web-Design/dp/097...) to be very informative as well. It's a great introduction to a lot of different aspects of design that programmers generally don't think about when trying to mimic more professionally-designed sites. I read it two years ago, and it was a bit easier to digest at the time because most of the designs presented still felt current.
However, keep in mind that while the designs presented in many of these resources may look outdated, the principles behind them are solid. Tastes and trends may change, but running through a few Photoshop tutorials will get you up to speed on the execution of the latest styles. More importantly though, design basics such as readability, whitespace, proximity, alignment, proportion, color, texture, etc are timeless. If you can distill those important aspects from the materials you're reading, you'll be much better off in the long run than if you just try to copy techniques from whatever the most modern resource currently is.
However, keep in mind that while the designs presented in many of these resources may look outdated, the principles behind them are solid. Tastes and trends may change, but running through a few Photoshop tutorials will get you up to speed on the execution of the latest styles. More importantly though, design basics such as readability, whitespace, proximity, alignment, proportion, color, texture, etc are timeless. If you can distill those important aspects from the materials you're reading, you'll be much better off in the long run than if you just try to copy techniques from whatever the most modern resource currently is.
(a) is quite the tough one. Large part of the problem is taste. You need it, as does the author of any guidelines, and you and the author need to be in sync.
Worth looking into are grid layouts, and CSS frameworks that making working with grids easier. I'm a fan of 960gs, but there are a few good ones.
http://www.thegridsystem.org/
http://delicious.com/jamesbritt/Grid
Worth looking into are grid layouts, and CSS frameworks that making working with grids easier. I'm a fan of 960gs, but there are a few good ones.
http://www.thegridsystem.org/
http://delicious.com/jamesbritt/Grid
I suggest you read the non-designers design book. A lot of it is pure math - colors, alignment, contrast, repetition, and proximity. Even if you won't learn how to design you will learn to tell good design from bad, and what makes it so.
Stay away from Kindle version though - in a twist of irony the book's layout has been severely corrupted, serving more as an anti-example to its own content.
Stay away from Kindle version though - in a twist of irony the book's layout has been severely corrupted, serving more as an anti-example to its own content.
great list, thanks
I wrote a blog post the went very briefly about design tips for programmers
http://arandomurl.com/2010/07/07/design-tips-for-programmers...
there is also a few linked resources from there, the video and the book at the end are really good.
I wrote a blog post the went very briefly about design tips for programmers
http://arandomurl.com/2010/07/07/design-tips-for-programmers...
there is also a few linked resources from there, the video and the book at the end are really good.
Ha, yes I liked it. In fact your actually part of the list above under:
I have found some good online articles http://delicious.com/csmeder/ux
I have found some good online articles http://delicious.com/csmeder/ux
Added yours to this list (with some voting) in case anyone is interested:
http://buyersvote.com/categories/the-best-books-to-learn-gra...
http://buyersvote.com/categories/the-best-books-to-learn-gra...
Excellent! What a helpful list. This is one of my major stumbling blocks as a programmer trying to build usable apps.
Pattern tap (http://patterntap.com/) is great for finding examples of individual design elements.
You could also try any of the sites listed here:
http://www.moreofit.com/get_matches.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpat...
http://www.moreofit.com/get_matches.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpat...
Perhaps HNers could share general design tips as well?
These are the two most important to me:
1) Don't use Adobe Photoshop. Use Adobe Fireworks. It's faster and simpler and everything you need for web stuff (gradients, masks, etc.). Use PNGCrush on any PNGs to remove all the extra info and layers before deploying.
2) Spacing\padding is one of the most important things that determines how professional a site looks to users, even if they can't verbalize it. For navigation buttons or tabs, a background height to inner font-height ratio of 2:1 looks way more professional than 1:1.
These are the two most important to me:
1) Don't use Adobe Photoshop. Use Adobe Fireworks. It's faster and simpler and everything you need for web stuff (gradients, masks, etc.). Use PNGCrush on any PNGs to remove all the extra info and layers before deploying.
2) Spacing\padding is one of the most important things that determines how professional a site looks to users, even if they can't verbalize it. For navigation buttons or tabs, a background height to inner font-height ratio of 2:1 looks way more professional than 1:1.
> Don't use Adobe Photoshop
I'll disagree and say that Photoshop is faster and simpler, why? Because I'm better with it.
Use whatever graphics program you're best with.
First of all if you're only using gradients and layer effects like multiple borders most of that stuff can be done with CSS now.
The links below are for buttons and shapes but you can apply those effects to anything:
http://blog.anomalyinnovations.com/2010/03/creating-a-realis...
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/build-...
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/quick-...
Also photoshop is just as competent at saving images with those effects if you convert it to a smart object and rasterize it first.
I'll disagree and say that Photoshop is faster and simpler, why? Because I'm better with it.
Use whatever graphics program you're best with.
First of all if you're only using gradients and layer effects like multiple borders most of that stuff can be done with CSS now.
The links below are for buttons and shapes but you can apply those effects to anything:
http://blog.anomalyinnovations.com/2010/03/creating-a-realis...
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/build-...
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/quick-...
Also photoshop is just as competent at saving images with those effects if you convert it to a smart object and rasterize it first.
CSS3 or webkit extensions or mozilla extensions != CSS. I would never use any of those methods (for say, the next 2 years or if it was only a personal site I didn't care about and not a customer site).
Also the learning curve to do stuff faster with Fireworks than Photoshop is maybe 30 minutes, it's that simple.
Also the learning curve to do stuff faster with Fireworks than Photoshop is maybe 30 minutes, it's that simple.
I wish I had enough karma to down-vote you for insinuating that the current browser implementations of the CSS3 draft aren't CSS.
1. CSS==CSS1, CSS3==CSS3. CSS3!=CSS1. 100% of users see CSS1, 50% see CSS3.
2. Everything was explicit, there were no insinuations.
3. You aren't allowed to downvote replies to your own comment even if you had higher karma.
2. Everything was explicit, there were no insinuations.
3. You aren't allowed to downvote replies to your own comment even if you had higher karma.
(This was an intentionally vague question, but I'm talking about visual design of websites and applications. That could be anything from principles/theory to reusable elements/templates to Photoshop/HTML/CSS tutorials. There seems to be less trash floating around in the usability world.)
A pretty sweet site our design intern pointed me at was:
http://siteinspire.net/
It has some really nice designs that are more trendy now a days than ever before. UX less tried as usual, but looks visually cool and super modern.
It has some really nice designs that are more trendy now a days than ever before. UX less tried as usual, but looks visually cool and super modern.
The newest I've seen is http://forrst.com, I love it there.
You should check out http://dribbble.com/
Invite-only
email kyle at forrst.com with the subject HN invites and I'll hook you up.
Thanks I sent out an e-mail, here's mine just in case mirsad.saci AT gmail.com
I’ve heard very good things about Steve Krug’s ‘Don’t Make Me Think’: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dont-Make-Me-Think-Usability/dp/0321...
This is perhaps one of the best books on usability that I've read. Steve Krug also walks the walk and makes this book super usable to read.
ColourLovers, 0to255.com, css3please.com, Smashing Magazine
Smashing Mag's Twitter feed I find to be be more useful than the site itself. There's a fair bit of fluff but there's a lot of good stuff too. Plus, it's updated at a furious rate.
I can't stand Smashing Mag. Yes there are some good articles, but seriously most of that is simply linkbait articles, 10 this and 25 that.
That's why I like the twitter. It's more "look at this X" and a direct link without all the padding that would go into justifying an article.
Their twitter feed is good, but there is a lot of stuff that will pop up on there that I've known about for a month already.
There's Smashing Magazine and Six Revisions that I follow.
The Smashing Book is good
What exactly are you looking for, and on which development platform?
If you like UX philosophy and principles, http://www.UXMovement.com is a great resource for learning about user experience.
You come to me for the good stuff...
It appears nettuts has some good stuff, as does themeforest... most of my searching led to crappy, outdated resources, worlds inferior to these. (I'm looking at you, SitePoint...) Where do I go for the good stuff?