A Map of San Francisco/Oakland/Berkeley Gang Territories(google.com)
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A Map of San Francisco/Oakland/Berkeley Gang Territories
http://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1PD1YdFZWhv_-1o6ZulmPoLMkQAM&hl=en_US
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I always find myself explaining to new arrivals that the Tenderloin is not the dangerous, violent area despite (non violent) crime rates, it's absolutely the Mission. Widespread misconception for some reason, and now we have a map to point at. I know multiple people in the Mission who were mugged or who live in apartments above where shootings took place. Speaking as a former resident of the Mission and victim of a violent crime myself (in the Mission), it always amuses me when people who are, uh, sheltered to say the least, who want a nice upper middle class bubble, speak longingly about moving to the Mission, somehow ignorant that it's the one neighborhood on their list of acceptable neighborhoods where they are most likely to get mugged or shot.
The Mission might be worse, but there's nothing especially nice about TL, either. I still recommend arrivals to steer clear of it.
The LA map is a lot more complete and interesting.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1ul5yqMj7_JgM5xpfOn...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1ul5yqMj7_JgM5xpfOn...
I'm not so sure about "complete". There are missing polygons around areas of East LA, Boyle Heights, Monterey Park, Rosemead and Baldwin Park. But the polygons that are there seem credible to me.
Points of interest on the map in the Mission is where 13 and 14 touch. This represents Sureño Norteño rival gang borders.
I've heard of drive-bys and other gun violence there but have only first hand witnessed people get jumped or beat up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/san-francisco-where-viole...
I've heard of drive-bys and other gun violence there but have only first hand witnessed people get jumped or beat up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/san-francisco-where-viole...
Looks like a map of future gentrification. It all starts when you see something like this. https://imgur.com/a/iONTY <- photo is a liquor store in gentrification hot spot Highland Park, Los Angeles.
There are a lot of these maps, most of them generated by Google MyMaps, by gang members themselves.
This was created in 2011. I'm viewing on mobile, so I might be missing something, but have there been updates? It seems these sorts of blurry territory lines are liable to change frequently and suddenly.
No different than any other crime ridden city with people dying, http://murderink.citypaper.com/
Is there any evidence presented here? I see a map with some rectangles on it...
Anecdotal:
http://imgur.com/a/tS1E0
I was robbed within the red circle two years ago. A car full of what looked like high school kids wearing blue bandannas over their faces pulled up and they got out. One had a taser and one I think had a gun or a fake gun (it was dark). Anyways, map checks out for me personally.
http://imgur.com/a/tS1E0
I was robbed within the red circle two years ago. A car full of what looked like high school kids wearing blue bandannas over their faces pulled up and they got out. One had a taser and one I think had a gun or a fake gun (it was dark). Anyways, map checks out for me personally.
Yes, how can this possibly be accurate? Where can I go as a gang member to find out where the crips' territory is? What is the authoritative source? Why aren't there any gangs listed in the Outer Mission where I've personally witnessed what strongly looked like gang activity first hand multiple times?
Not to mention Chinatown:
http://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Chinatown-gang-feud...
http://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Chinatown-gang-feud...
All the violence related to the Chinese mafia in the past 40 years seems to be related to that one guy, Shrimp Boy, who seems pretty thuggish and was intentionally trying to upset the long-established order.
My impression is that the Chinese mafia is still pretty strong in San Francisco. They own, directly or indirectly, a fair amount of real estate. And I presume they're behind a fair amount of grey market trade, as well as most of the brothels. I personally know of at least one business front on Clement St that was and is (AFAICT) still a meeting house. I used to live nearby, noticed the odd comings-and-goings, and confirmed my suspicions with a couple of the neighboring merchants. I distinctly remember one merchant, after asking what the deal was with the place across the street, leaning in close and asking me, "do you really want to know?". I said, "Well... I assume it's the mafia". He looked straight at me and silently nodded.
Anyhow, it seems to me that they're an established institution with a strong incentive to avoid violence or to participate in activities (e.g. drugs) that beget violence or unwanted attention. And City Hall and the police are comfortable maintaining the status quo, even if it means turning a blind eye to various activities on a regular basis. At the same time I assume that the other gangs around the city know their place in the pecking order and stay away from the predominately Chinese neighborhoods.
And maybe that's why the Shrimp Boy thing became so violent--he was an existential threat to the order and he knew he either had to go nuclear or go home. But he was always destined to lose. The media labeled him a "kingpin" but given the huge amount of money controlled by the Chinese mafia in the city, and the penny-ante schemes he ran that recently came to light, he seems to have remained on the fringes.
The Russian mafia also has a presence here. The Outer Richmond has one of the oldest Russian communities in the country. Like the Chinese mafia they seem to fit into the established political order, are plugged into the global grey market, and likewise have an interest in avoiding drawing attention to themselves.
Then there are the Irish. Hardly the same thing, but it's my understanding that for a long time the San Francisco Irish community was a standout supporter of Sinn Fein, maybe even in the same league as Boston in terms of political and financial support. I don't even think that was hidden. You can go to Ireland's 32 on Geary St and see publicity photographs of Sinn Fein leaders meeting with city officials.
Anyhow, I guess my point is that one of the safest places to live in the city is the Richmond District, where the Chinese mafia, Russian mafia, and whatever loose organization the Irish have going (construction?) seem to keep the riff-raff away, or at least organized riff-raff. I remember reading some stories 10 or so years ago about violence (muggings, break-ins) attributed to a nascent Vietnamese gang in the Richmond District, but that seemed to quickly disappear almost overnight. I doubt that was coincidental.
My impression is that the Chinese mafia is still pretty strong in San Francisco. They own, directly or indirectly, a fair amount of real estate. And I presume they're behind a fair amount of grey market trade, as well as most of the brothels. I personally know of at least one business front on Clement St that was and is (AFAICT) still a meeting house. I used to live nearby, noticed the odd comings-and-goings, and confirmed my suspicions with a couple of the neighboring merchants. I distinctly remember one merchant, after asking what the deal was with the place across the street, leaning in close and asking me, "do you really want to know?". I said, "Well... I assume it's the mafia". He looked straight at me and silently nodded.
Anyhow, it seems to me that they're an established institution with a strong incentive to avoid violence or to participate in activities (e.g. drugs) that beget violence or unwanted attention. And City Hall and the police are comfortable maintaining the status quo, even if it means turning a blind eye to various activities on a regular basis. At the same time I assume that the other gangs around the city know their place in the pecking order and stay away from the predominately Chinese neighborhoods.
And maybe that's why the Shrimp Boy thing became so violent--he was an existential threat to the order and he knew he either had to go nuclear or go home. But he was always destined to lose. The media labeled him a "kingpin" but given the huge amount of money controlled by the Chinese mafia in the city, and the penny-ante schemes he ran that recently came to light, he seems to have remained on the fringes.
The Russian mafia also has a presence here. The Outer Richmond has one of the oldest Russian communities in the country. Like the Chinese mafia they seem to fit into the established political order, are plugged into the global grey market, and likewise have an interest in avoiding drawing attention to themselves.
Then there are the Irish. Hardly the same thing, but it's my understanding that for a long time the San Francisco Irish community was a standout supporter of Sinn Fein, maybe even in the same league as Boston in terms of political and financial support. I don't even think that was hidden. You can go to Ireland's 32 on Geary St and see publicity photographs of Sinn Fein leaders meeting with city officials.
Anyhow, I guess my point is that one of the safest places to live in the city is the Richmond District, where the Chinese mafia, Russian mafia, and whatever loose organization the Irish have going (construction?) seem to keep the riff-raff away, or at least organized riff-raff. I remember reading some stories 10 or so years ago about violence (muggings, break-ins) attributed to a nascent Vietnamese gang in the Richmond District, but that seemed to quickly disappear almost overnight. I doubt that was coincidental.
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I would suspect visible gang graffiti in the areas would fit the data. But I'm not going to visit just to check on it.
Seems somewhat accurate. I grew up in the East bay, been robbed twice (both at knife) off the Fruitvale, West Oakland stops in high school. Bay Area was much different 10-15 years ago, you wouldn't see random people walking their dogs and drinking a lattee in Oakland (and some parts of SF) back then.
I used to be scared to walk through the Mission, now its just so much different.
I used to be scared to walk through the Mission, now its just so much different.
How do they afford it?!