Why I won’t be attending Systems We Love(blog.valerieaurora.org)
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Why I won’t be attending Systems We Love
https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2016/10/22/why-i-wont-be-attending-systems-we-love/
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I have mixed feelings about this as someone who knows none of the players involved. On one hand, it does feel the like the author has felt genuine offense to publish such a lengthy attack. On the other hand, other than the main public evidence she offers, this blog post by Cantrill [0], which she describes as a "layer cake of vituperation and braggadocio, frosted with eloquence" -- I guess you just have had to have personal experience with Cantrill to get that vibe, because it seemed like a straightforward blog post to me.
Maybe the author doesn't want to drag Cantrill's name through the mud by posting private correspondence ("I watched him shame and insult hundreds of people, in public and in private, over email and in person, in papers and talks")...but for the author to end the essay as combatively as she does ("Come at me, Bryan"), I would've guessed that there would be damning material in Cantrill's other public correspondence, such as tweets.
It seems like Cantrill's personality, according to the author, is so irredeemable that the rest of the organizers and board for "Systems We Love" can't mitigate the effect. Is SWL organized in such a way that this is the case?
[0] https://www.joyent.com/blog/systems-we-love
edit: OK, this from 20 years ago rings a bell (the HN discussion at least): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9039884
edit 2: This definitely rings a bell, though in this case, it's Cantrill being a jerk in arguing for non-gendered pronouns, something that I'm sure he got some criticism for: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
Maybe the author doesn't want to drag Cantrill's name through the mud by posting private correspondence ("I watched him shame and insult hundreds of people, in public and in private, over email and in person, in papers and talks")...but for the author to end the essay as combatively as she does ("Come at me, Bryan"), I would've guessed that there would be damning material in Cantrill's other public correspondence, such as tweets.
It seems like Cantrill's personality, according to the author, is so irredeemable that the rest of the organizers and board for "Systems We Love" can't mitigate the effect. Is SWL organized in such a way that this is the case?
[0] https://www.joyent.com/blog/systems-we-love
edit: OK, this from 20 years ago rings a bell (the HN discussion at least): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9039884
edit 2: This definitely rings a bell, though in this case, it's Cantrill being a jerk in arguing for non-gendered pronouns, something that I'm sure he got some criticism for: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
I thought long and hard before posting this here for debate. Two people I deeply respect echoed the opinions in the post. In the end, I decided so because I am guilty of such behavior and I police myself to avoid it in settings where I feel a more careful approach is required.
I had the same experience with a mentor who was very experienced. He expected me to know things already and he was very unhelpful/mocking when I was not up to his standards. It was a really humiliating experience. I think the more people know, the more head strong they become. There are very few really knowledgeable people I know who remain as humble as you can expect.
I get why people post things like this, but I also sort of feel like I maybe never want to go to a software conference again. The atmosphere seems sort of menacing somehow. I certainly wouldn't speak at or help organize one.
I clicked vouch as I think it is worth discussing, even if some may see the article as inflammatory
I haven't gotten the same vibe from Cantrill at all, but I never worked closely with him.
At one time or another something like this might have moved me but after too many cries of "Wolf!" I've stopped caring.
I watched some videos from Brian Cantrill. He was mean with Larry Ellison.
To the main point: The title /is/ clickbaity; it feels like the writer was waiting for a good opportunity to take a swipe at Brian. I wouldn't skip out on a tech conference because someone I didn't like was there.