Show HN: Comparably – See what people like you get paid at work(comparably.com)
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Show HN: Comparably – See what people like you get paid at work
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Just to see, I threw in a burner email. Not only do you give your email, but you're forced to make an entire account with demographic data[1]. If you navigate back, you're presented with that modal again. You never get to see the data without entering everything. If you try, you get an error in the modal with the zip code highlighted [2].
No big deal - just throw in a fake zip, right? Nope! Everything must be completed[3].
[1]: http://i63.tinypic.com/2rm0g95.png
[2]: http://i68.tinypic.com/ezhbvq.png
[3]: http://i67.tinypic.com/ncm3wn.png
No big deal - just throw in a fake zip, right? Nope! Everything must be completed[3].
[1]: http://i63.tinypic.com/2rm0g95.png
[2]: http://i68.tinypic.com/ezhbvq.png
[3]: http://i67.tinypic.com/ncm3wn.png
Yup. I typically do these things with entirely fictitious numbers before (sorry Marketing Community Managers if I screwed up your results) to see the entire workflow and stopped at the email/linkedin thing. For me at least LinkedIn already has a really bad reputation for exploiting the crap out of your information so I immediately cringe when people try to link to it or use it (same with the Evernote business card scanning service).
I clicked next and this is the first thing that I thought of. What a terrible user experience, so much for sharing "anonymously"
Forcing users to enter data like that to see the results, will undoubtedly lead to lots and lots of fake salaries in their system.
P.S. My salary is not $2
P.S. My salary is not $2
Shapov, there is logic and algorithms that prevent bad data from entering the data set. The data you entered for example would not go into the data set.
I don't see how this is an improvement over Glassdoor's salary search. I'm already a user on Glassdoor and they parse much more positions/salaries/cities- what's the advantage for me?
Also, NO you cannot have my email or my LinkedIn login! Hell to the no I do not want to type in my salary into a site and have it tied to something that could ID me to an employer down the line if your site gets hacked.
Also, NO you cannot have my email or my LinkedIn login! Hell to the no I do not want to type in my salary into a site and have it tied to something that could ID me to an employer down the line if your site gets hacked.
"See results for free" but only after entering your own data in the gigantic fields where your office peers can see from across the room.
I didn't bail at the gigantic fields (although I should have). I bailed at the login part. Makers of this product, great idea, just be straight forward about it. Also, maybe do password like fields for entering amount you make.
Exactly why I bailed. That and wanting me to register. Pass.
The bait switch "free" > "give us all your info" modal feels dirty.
Just because crappy "growth hacker" blogs do it doesn't mean you have to.
Just because crappy "growth hacker" blogs do it doesn't mean you have to.
Lost me at asking for my email...
They almost lost me with the location selection... The world is a big place to only show 5 or 6 cities.
then they lost me with that sequence of anonymous > please register. How's this even anonymous? either they are not linking the previous step to this one so there's no point in registering or they are lying about the anonymous part.
Also at asking for salary details. Why discriminate against those with no salary?
I think this also contradicts the "free" claim. When I push a "See Results For Free" button, I expect to get free results when I push the button, not be prompted to transfer additional information.
I think this also contradicts the "free" claim. When I push a "See Results For Free" button, I expect to get free results when I push the button, not be prompted to transfer additional information.
They didn't lost you - they already had your data. That's why the form is 3-step.
10/10 - It should be optional.
bdwalter, we do that we we can verify real people are contributing to the community to keep up the integrity of the data. Tweet me @jasonnazar if there is specific data I can find for you :)
That's a cop-out answer.
You do it so you can get more emails. You do it because you use the slimy anchor-point tactic in your primary funnel.
Emails are important -- cool -- so just be honest with it. Make the field salary+email right away and don't bait-n-switch.
You do it so you can get more emails. You do it because you use the slimy anchor-point tactic in your primary funnel.
Emails are important -- cool -- so just be honest with it. Make the field salary+email right away and don't bait-n-switch.
The problem is you want to eliminate friction. If you can suck someone into your platform and then, later, say "oh btw please verify your email address to we can publish and share your salary. Anonymously, of course".
The way it works today I have to grid through all of these forms before I get ANY IDEA what kind of value you may or may not give to me.
The way it works today I have to grid through all of these forms before I get ANY IDEA what kind of value you may or may not give to me.
The UX tactics on this are blatantly shady.
People deserve a trustworthy solution. This violates that immediately.
People deserve a trustworthy solution. This violates that immediately.
See what people like you get paid at work*
*But only if you give us your salary info and let us mine your linkedin data.
No thanks.
*But only if you give us your salary info and let us mine your linkedin data.
No thanks.
I'm not sure if I just need more XP to downvote a submission, but really wish I could with this... the whole UX feels slimy to say the least.
You need a small amount of karma before you can [flag] a submission. (No-one can downvote submissions.)
I genuinely have no idea when flagging a submission is suitable. I think it's for when a submission shouldn't be here, but maybe I'm wrong.
I genuinely have no idea when flagging a submission is suitable. I think it's for when a submission shouldn't be here, but maybe I'm wrong.
this is a scam, they just try to get your data, you can't see anything for free, you have to give personal info and sign up first, which isn't free.
what is a crappy site like this doing on HN?
what is a crappy site like this doing on HN?
So I work at a company of three with a known massively under my value salary (recent grad, project I want to work on, responsibility I can get nowhere else).
I'm obviously always looking at what I could get if we went under or I wanted to leave for an unforseen reason; I find it very hard to work out what I'm equivalent to.
By asking for a salary and an email to see what different titles go for it makes it impossible for me to work out where I stand.
- and I'm also curious about what we need to offer our next hire (ie what should be expect to get for our money)
I'm obviously always looking at what I could get if we went under or I wanted to leave for an unforseen reason; I find it very hard to work out what I'm equivalent to.
By asking for a salary and an email to see what different titles go for it makes it impossible for me to work out where I stand.
- and I'm also curious about what we need to offer our next hire (ie what should be expect to get for our money)
Why is Customer Support lumped in with admin/office staff? You're also missing a lot of positions that I'd like to see.
Jorts we are adding more positions each week. What roles would you like to see?
Support Engineer, Customer Success Manager (non-sales)
There are more genders out there than you have on your dropdown :)
Consider adding a non-binary/genderqueer option, please.
Consider adding a non-binary/genderqueer option, please.
... and don't forget androgynous, genderfluid, intergender, demigender, amalgagender
http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Non-binary
God knows you wouldn't want to upset 0.0000001% of the entire population by leaving out their special category.
http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Non-binary
God knows you wouldn't want to upset 0.0000001% of the entire population by leaving out their special category.
It's a bigger percentage than you think. Non-binary is a pretty inclusive designation, and effectively represents "not entirely male" and "not entirely female" and any and everything inbetween. Genderqueer is a similarly inclusive designation.
It's important because not representing it as a viable selection reinforces discrimination[0] against those who don't identify as one of the binary genders.
In any case, your reduction of things to 0.0000001% of the entire population is pretty heinously insensitive (then again, this is Hacker News, so cis-sexism and transphobia is generally expected). And pretty false. In a UK survey, 0.4% (or 1 in 250 people) identified as neither fully male nor fully female [1].
Edit: by adding more than the binary male/female, especially with a salary thing like this, you can more easily expose discrimination in pay between not only those who identify as male or identify as female but also those who identify as trans/queer. And given that there is a lot of discrimination out there against us (it's not even illegal to discriminate against trans/genderqueer in many, many, many states), it's an important data point to collect.
0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_towards_non-bin...
1. http://practicalandrogyny.com/2014/12/16/how-many-people-in-...
It's important because not representing it as a viable selection reinforces discrimination[0] against those who don't identify as one of the binary genders.
In any case, your reduction of things to 0.0000001% of the entire population is pretty heinously insensitive (then again, this is Hacker News, so cis-sexism and transphobia is generally expected). And pretty false. In a UK survey, 0.4% (or 1 in 250 people) identified as neither fully male nor fully female [1].
Edit: by adding more than the binary male/female, especially with a salary thing like this, you can more easily expose discrimination in pay between not only those who identify as male or identify as female but also those who identify as trans/queer. And given that there is a lot of discrimination out there against us (it's not even illegal to discriminate against trans/genderqueer in many, many, many states), it's an important data point to collect.
0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_towards_non-bin...
1. http://practicalandrogyny.com/2014/12/16/how-many-people-in-...
I have nothing against people that choose to identify as whatever niche sexuality they fancy. But I do have a problem with them demanding special treatment to the nth degree, and claiming "discrimination" if their particular demands aren't met.
And yet everything you're writing shows the exact opposite. Gender identity and sexuality, for example, are orthagonal. A common misconception. One can be assigned male at birth, be genderqueer, and be primarily attracted to those who were assigned female at birth.
There is nothing special treatment about having the ability to identify yourself as yourself.
And discrimination is very real, from being fired for being trans/genderqueer to being murdered for being trans/genderqueer.
Heightening visibility by, e.g., providing an option on a salary survey, helps fight against the very real violence that the LGBTQ community still experiences.
There is nothing special treatment about having the ability to identify yourself as yourself.
And discrimination is very real, from being fired for being trans/genderqueer to being murdered for being trans/genderqueer.
Heightening visibility by, e.g., providing an option on a salary survey, helps fight against the very real violence that the LGBTQ community still experiences.
no sysadmins in the job selection. I know admins are underepresented on hn but there are still some out there.
Sweet design. Really like the filters on the left. It would be cool to see equity on this.
I had a hard time with those filters. "Linux Admin" could have been about three top-level filters, yet I wasn't able to find it in any. Why does everyone forget about us? :(
Biffyc7 that's on it's way very soon, stay tuned...
[1]:http://i.imgur.com/qDwJ4Dm.jpg