A Course on Automata Theory(coursera.org)
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A Course on Automata Theory
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Regular expressions are probably one of the most practical and immediately obviously useful things to come out of automata theory.
I'm interested to hear you say this. I teach this course, to students who mostly go on to do Java coding. I have several times run into an old student who told me that they never once used regexes after my class, either in school or in work.
One reason may be that practical regexes have so many extensions that you can't many of the usual tricks on them.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6363397/how-to-tell-if-on...
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6363397/how-to-tell-if-on...
I find it helpful to distinguish between "regular expressions" as something mathematical and "regexes" as nebulous more-than an NFA and less than a Turing complete grammar...DFA regex engines being the Platypus that proves the rule.
As soon as you have backtracking and capture groups it's not a regular expression in the mathematical sense. These features make regexes more useful in many simple cases at the cost of making them harder to reason about in more difficult cases.
As soon as you have backtracking and capture groups it's not a regular expression in the mathematical sense. These features make regexes more useful in many simple cases at the cost of making them harder to reason about in more difficult cases.
I'm surprised - Did you ask them how do they search for patterns? Entries in log files, function definitions or usage in code, matching files in a shell?
> Did you ask them how do they search for patterns? Entries in log files, function definitions or usage in code, matching files in a shell?
You know, I have. In some ways it is like communicating across cultures in that the question does not seem to make all that much sense to them. That I can tell, they don't ever search for patterns. The would look for that feature in their GUI log reading program, I suppose.
Failing that, they would write code, 100% in Java I think, and I suppose that if they had to do what I would reach for a regex to do, they would write code to do it. (Is this what jwz means by "Now they have two problems," that they should do the job in code?)
But, again, I don't think there is a real communication there. I'm not too sure what they mean and they look like they do not recognize the situations I ask about.
You know, I have. In some ways it is like communicating across cultures in that the question does not seem to make all that much sense to them. That I can tell, they don't ever search for patterns. The would look for that feature in their GUI log reading program, I suppose.
Failing that, they would write code, 100% in Java I think, and I suppose that if they had to do what I would reach for a regex to do, they would write code to do it. (Is this what jwz means by "Now they have two problems," that they should do the job in code?)
But, again, I don't think there is a real communication there. I'm not too sure what they mean and they look like they do not recognize the situations I ask about.
That is very surprising to hear. Regular expressions are used all over the place! I wouldn't want to work with a person who does not have at least the basic workings of Regex down pat.
I already knew Perl and Posix regex when I took automata. I cruised through the initial basics of regular expressions faster than my peers. But I got into trouble after I learned that regex contains a bunch of features (hacks) that have no grounding in pure automata theory. I had to unlearn a whole bunch of things.
Professor Roberto Ierusalimschy (creator of Lua), was bothered by the problems of regex deviating from (real) regular expressions, like how captures create non-determinism, back references make pattern matching algorithms NP complete, no formally defined performance model, and so on. This led him to revisit prior research on PEGs (Parseable Expression Grammars) which are akin to Context-Free Grammars. He created a library called LPeg which was a PEG for Lua.
He gave a talk about all this which can be found here: https://vimeo.com/1485123
So he basically realized people were hacking regular expressions to get more power. So rather than playing that game, he climbed up a level on the automata ladder to get a more mathematically sound approach to the problem.
He gave a talk about all this which can be found here: https://vimeo.com/1485123
So he basically realized people were hacking regular expressions to get more power. So rather than playing that game, he climbed up a level on the automata ladder to get a more mathematically sound approach to the problem.
Regarding that, since I took that class I've been careful about using the term "regular expression" for expressions that describe a NFA and "regex" for what popular languages implement.
I took this on Coursera a couple of years ago and it was the automata theory class I never managed to take in college but always wanted to.
As you might expect from a course by Ullman, it's heavy on theory and detail.
People are right to say that this is a core topic in computer science, and I'd recommend it to people who like CS conceptually and are curious about the parts beyond programming. Automata come up everywhere!
As you might expect from a course by Ullman, it's heavy on theory and detail.
People are right to say that this is a core topic in computer science, and I'd recommend it to people who like CS conceptually and are curious about the parts beyond programming. Automata come up everywhere!
Agreed; I took this the first time around and had a great time. Highly recommended! :)
For what it's worth, Sipser's _Introduction to the Theory of Computation_ helped me get through some of the gnarlier spots (and in turn, the lectures through some of the harder parts of the book). I picked up a used copy of the 2nd edition cheap off Amazon (it was sub-$20 iirc).
For what it's worth, Sipser's _Introduction to the Theory of Computation_ helped me get through some of the gnarlier spots (and in turn, the lectures through some of the harder parts of the book). I picked up a used copy of the 2nd edition cheap off Amazon (it was sub-$20 iirc).
A few user written reviews for those interested in the course:
https://www.class-central.com/mooc/376/coursera-automata#rev...
Out of all the theory I learned in school, learning a FSA in compilers class has probably been the most helpful. Whether I'm teaching kids 'if' statements for implementing a vending machine or sitting down with a client and trying to document their workflow, automata theory has been incredibly useful for me.
I am an EE who has previously tried to take this course and found it incredibly hard because of theory, formal proofs etc.. Can anyone recommend a book, lecture notes to accompany this course to make life easy?
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I am not sure what the course is like, so I am not sure if this would help, but Stephen Wolfram's book about automata is pretty good.
This is the book that was used when I was an undergrad.
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Theory-Computation-Michae...
It is also used for the graduate course.
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Theory-Computation-Michae...
It is also used for the graduate course.
For those who want to dive further in automata theory, transducers and the non-commutative algebraic view of the theory, the following one by J. Sakarovitch is a fantastic book : http://www.cambridge.org/uk/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=978...
I'm probably going to check this out. I've taken several Coursera courses in the past and they've been great.
I was lucky to have an excellent professor for a similar course in college (it was called Computation Theory). It completely changed the way I think about programming. Specifically, it changed how I think about program state and software bugs. Also, knowing about finite state machines really helps with requirement analysis.
So, highly recommended.
So, highly recommended.
The book by Peter Linz for Theory of Computation (https://books.google.co.in/books/about/An_Introduction_to_Fo...)
is also a good text.
I am taking this course as it is a prerequisite to the subjects of compilers and computational complexity theory.
Has anyone used Sipser's text with this course? I found Sipser's textbook a great introduction to this field and thinking of complementing this course with the book.
Has anyone used Sipser's text with this course? I found Sipser's textbook a great introduction to this field and thinking of complementing this course with the book.
I've had a few similar courses at university, but they've always been limited to NP-completeness, does anyone know how I can expand on this? That is, learn beyond NP-completeness (Books / Online courses etc)?
If you're interested in computational complexity theory, I recommend "Computational Complexity" by Christos Papadimitriou. It's a classic, though it's a bit dated.
Do you have to use your full name to enroll, in the field asking for it? I've probably become excessively paranoid about giving personal info on the web - Stanford is probably OK...
Judging from my account, no you don't. Maybe if you are planning on being certified but just to take a course, no.
Coursera is trying to branch out into academic partnerships and professional credentialing, which will probably want your legal name if they become relevant to your use of Coursera. I don't think they have a way to confirm your name for a simple course enrollment.
Only really matters for certificate.
The signup form has a field named Full Name, but what's stopping you from using a pseudonym?
I highly encourage you to learn about this stuff, it's a lot of fun and is actually practical!