Ask HN: Help me make a decision
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The travel you mention in the thread is more significant than anything else you've talked about in the post.
A job with 75% travel basically puts the rest of your life on hold - significant other, relationships with friends, etc. It's harder to stick to proper fitness and diet when traveling so much. You've got to deal with all that travel-related stress (ugh, airports). And business travel tends to get old and boring really, really fast.
Given all that, company B is the winner - although personally, I wouldn't take that job either. Even 25% work-related travel is a pain in the ass.
A job with 75% travel basically puts the rest of your life on hold - significant other, relationships with friends, etc. It's harder to stick to proper fitness and diet when traveling so much. You've got to deal with all that travel-related stress (ugh, airports). And business travel tends to get old and boring really, really fast.
Given all that, company B is the winner - although personally, I wouldn't take that job either. Even 25% work-related travel is a pain in the ass.
Agree on the travel part. I am fine with 25% travel. I think its a good balance. Plus, if you want to climb the leadership/management ladder, cant escape travel much.
Company A, without a doubt. Culture matters a whole lot. And the experience of seeing how one of the behemoths does it from the inside, good and bad, is valuable. (Don't have any info about your job history; this last point could be less important if you've already had that experience.)
yes, this is what is drawing me to A. But it also involves 75% travel compared to 20-25% at B.
EDIT: I typed 7% earlier instead of 75
EDIT: I typed 7% earlier instead of 75
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It appears very hypothetical situation...but for a given data, I can always almost say that Company A will NEVER pay less in total package than Company B for the same job role (assuming its the same as you have not provided any data for it...)
It's like saying... Faecbook will pay less than Zynga for an in demand SE. They will surely match offer of Company B if they want you.
2. Culture is extremely important not just to grow but to work every day and leave home satisfied.
3. Travel is personal choice.
Best of Luck! Nash, http://joday.com
It appears very hypothetical situation...but for a given data, I can always almost say that Company A will NEVER pay less in total package than Company B for the same job role (assuming its the same as you have not provided any data for it...)
It's like saying... Faecbook will pay less than Zynga for an in demand SE. They will surely match offer of Company B if they want you.
2. Culture is extremely important not just to grow but to work every day and leave home satisfied.
3. Travel is personal choice.
Best of Luck! Nash, http://joday.com
I assure you its not hypothetical.
You would be wrong to assume large companies beat every other offer. Large companies rarely beat other offers. Even Google does not do it unless you are a rock star.
Also I never pitched them against each other ... I dont see that as a professional behavior, I negotiate separately. But I agree I did not do a good job of negotiating with A, maybe I was starstruck
You would be wrong to assume large companies beat every other offer. Large companies rarely beat other offers. Even Google does not do it unless you are a rock star.
Also I never pitched them against each other ... I dont see that as a professional behavior, I negotiate separately. But I agree I did not do a good job of negotiating with A, maybe I was starstruck
Your wording is a bit unclear. Are you saying B would challenge you more, or that personal growth would be challenging to attain at B? Are you saying that B's base = 150k and that your stock goes on top, or that base + your estimate of how many stock options you'd get = 150k?
Another important factor that's often not considered is how long your commute is to A and B.
Another important factor that's often not considered is how long your commute is to A and B.
personal growth would be challenging to attain at B because the culture is sure to throw hurdles in the way.
B = 150K base + options (not yet awarded)
commute is not an issue in this case. thanks for bringing it up though
B = 150K base + options (not yet awarded)
commute is not an issue in this case. thanks for bringing it up though
Company A. I value personal growth and happiness over pay differences. And it seems like Company A will help me more base on what vague information is provided.
Take B. Keep looking for a position at company like A or better and pays better or equal to B.
Company B. I believe there are more opportunities in future.
true, but swimming against the tide can either pay off really well or bite you really hard
One important thing I would also add here. Think about your daily work in both companies: how valuable it is, how does it impact the company in general.
Right now I work in a huge corporation. The work I do is not THAT important. I mean, it's important, but if I ever decide to leave, that will not affect the company a lot. They will find another engineer and that's it. Such model is good for business, I guess. But, it's important that every employee feel how valuable they are. Not just feel, they should exactly know, that the work they do does really-really matter to a company. This is just imho.
Right now I work in a huge corporation. The work I do is not THAT important. I mean, it's important, but if I ever decide to leave, that will not affect the company a lot. They will find another engineer and that's it. Such model is good for business, I guess. But, it's important that every employee feel how valuable they are. Not just feel, they should exactly know, that the work they do does really-really matter to a company. This is just imho.
exactly! many people dont realize in big companies there are (relatively) very few people that matter. rest are just cogs in the machine. doesnt mean you can grow up from being a cog, but what you say is true.
B wants me badly. My skill set is very niche. B needs me to propel them forward and in a different scenario, thats a great situation to be in. But I am very hesitant of how motivated B is to transform to the next level.
B wants me badly. My skill set is very niche. B needs me to propel them forward and in a different scenario, thats a great situation to be in. But I am very hesitant of how motivated B is to transform to the next level.
It also depends on what you really want. Make a list of pros/cons and then go from there. Think hard where you see yourself in the future. Go with the company, which can help you to get there.
You can always quit and find another job. Not a big deal nowadays.
$150K (base, stock options based on performance) - company B
company A is a large well respected hightech company (~200B market cap)
company B is a growing, recognizable but not a well recognized or popular, low employee satisfaction hightech company (~2B market cap)
similar job profile for both
growth is mostly self driven but maybe more challenging in B due to culture
company culture - A has significant advantage over B
which would you accept?