John is a biblical name. Not naming your kid that because it’s also occasionally used as slang, is pants-on-head stupid. There’s also nothing wrong with Charlie.
Dick/Richard is the only one here I agree with. That is extremely commonly used slang, so it makes sense.
So do it the old fashioned way: socialize and network with people at industry events. Ageism is another issue that isn’t quite so easy to solve. Doesn’t that depend on the area more than anything?
Networking like that is how I found my job without a degree in computer science.
Random or ambiguous icons without text is a huge UX failure. You can’t assume people will know what it means aside from very obvious ones like the floppy disk save icon.
The point is that many state colleges provide ample education. Some provide very good education depending on what areas they specialize in.
USC (South Carolina) is #1 for international business, for example. As I recall we also had good engineering programs. I can't speak for the CS department, but I do know some very smart professors are there, since some of my friends did research there.
USC was the only college I applied to, and I had zero doubts that I'd ever get in (since I didn't go in for IB/business).
Now, networking is a totally different animal. Of course a lot of universities can't match the kind of networking that happens at Ivy leagues. For most people I don't think this is really an issue though as long as you go to a "good"ish university.
Or perhaps we can look into alternate systems that don't reward excruciating studying and working systems. Perhaps standardized testing like the SAT is fundamentally flawed and we need to figure out better assessment systems.
> South Korea has the 10th highest suicide rate in the world.
Note that this is also inflated due to an abnormally high elderly suicide rate due to some systemic factors.
> Although lower than the rate for the elderly, grade school and college students in Korea have a higher than average suicide rate.
One example alternative would be de-emphasizing the utmost need for a degree, and emphasizing trades as an alternative. Not everyone should need a degree, and from an academia standpoint it makes having a college degree relatively worthless and slowly turns universities into degree mills.
> but few people who are actually willing to step up and do work. That's the limiting factor on getting stuff done.
That's why waiting is also an option. Feel free to excuse it however, but removing i18n here was a pretty big mistake on the rust team's part. For what? Rust 2018? I didn't contribute to the website, but I also didn't force anyone to change it either.
> There are a lot of people willing to get extremely mad about the website online
I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. It's rare to see actual i18n for open source projects, and it's absurd to see it get removed arbitrarily when it does exist. I believe the Rust team is capable of delivering much better quality updates, hence my writing here. I'm also sick and tired of i18n being considered an afterthought by people who do have the resources to accomplish it to at least a basic degree.
Also, just because something is open source doesn't mean "well why don't you just go do it then" is a valid argument. It isn't.
The code itself and libraries being English is not a new concept.
Materials and knowledge about the language leads to more people potentially discovering it. I can far more easily persuade someone to use Rust, if I share the website with them in their native language.
Consider the reality that not every nation is advanced in English like Sweden or other European nations.
Anyway, the old site did have i18n, meaning that they did care about it. Not only did they care about i18n, they also had more niche languages, which is quite rare for an open source project. The alternative is basically saying "just learn English in order to read about Rust and why you may or may not want to use it". I find this unacceptable.
So it's very puzzling to me that the new website entirely ditched i18n–it's incongruous to what I perceive the quality of the rust team is capable of.
I simply think we need to be honest about the language that we use. The truth is, instead of "nobody was happy", "nobody made i18n a priority" is far more accurate. Calling it a "lie" is perhaps too strong, but that's essentially what it is, intentional or not.
If nobody was happy about it, why was it deployed? That brings us to even more questions. Nothing presented thus far portrayed the decision to update in a better light, in fact it's only made my opinion of it worse.
I am used to websites having little to no i18n, but it's a complete mistake to actively remove existing i18n. For what? Rust 2018? A better looking landing page? Honestly now I'm just skeptical about the organizational structures that lead to this decision being approved.
Thank you for explaining it. I now finally understand why it was deployed with removed functionality.
That said, that is a completely idiotic reason to remove something like i18n. Unbelievable.
I wish I could say I don't understand how this got approved by multiple people, but the sad reality is that nobody makes internationalization a priority. It's completely normal to not have the other languages I use to not be supported, but I guess it stings to actively have it be removed.
Go's page is for programmers; Rust's new page is for non-programmers. I think it's a mistake that you have to click "Get Started", then read through installation instructions, to finally see what Rust code looks like. It's all backwards. A short snippet (or two) should be front and center.
So aside from you, nobody on the team cared about i18n enough to actually get it implemented before deployment–it wasn't a priority. Got it.
Sucks that you're embarrassed but it looks like an organizational failing to me. I would never "upgrade" a website from having i18n to not having i18n.
> Doing it a better way takes time and effort.
New method or not, deploying the website could have waited until even a few languages were translated. It's not like the old site was bad, what was the rush?
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Nobody here is answering my question: why was it deployed with removed functionality? Why could the old site not have stayed up longer until a few languages at least were translated? You say things like "nobody was happy" but I'm wondering why it was deployed at all if nobody was happy. Is this a side effect of too many committees and deliberation?
Why are we sitting here going "sucks that I have to explain this to people" when it could've just.... waited? Nobody would have noticed if the old rust site had stayed up for another year? two?
and now I'm characterized as "mad" because I respond to HN comments. No, I just care about i18n, I'm just wondering why a website had to be deployed so badly that something as important as i18n was removed. Good for us because we speak English, am I right?
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The reason I have written so much here is because I thought the Rust team was capable of quality, so I hold it to higher standards. For the website, it appears that I was mistaken.
Criticizing a software update is "losing my cool"? First I was "yelling" and now this...
My "different idea" is keeping the ability of non-English speakers to use the website and learn about Rust. I (and most people, I think) would not prefer a prettier site to one that has support for 10+ languages. Do you not agree?
My "position" is one of someone that heavily uses a language other than English. I very much enjoyed the old Rust site, because it meant I could actually show it to people around me, because their native language was supported. This isn't a tradeoff so much as a dealbreaker. What tradeoff was there for pushing the new website deployment too early?
I think it's perfectly reasonable to criticize an update that made the website prettier but removed i18n for no reason. Why? Was there a fiscal incentive to immediately replace the website before any translations could be done?
So instead of making personal attacks for no reason, how about we criticize bad, unnecessary software updates together?
That's not really the truth though, is it? If nobody was happy, then the new site wouldn't have been deployed. Or by "nobody was happy", did you mean "nobody really cared, because English is their primary language, thus they aren't affected at all"?
The new website is very pretty. I don't understand why the deployment could not have waited until the translations were completed. Even just translating 4-5 widely used languages would've sufficed, although still not ideal compared to the old website.
Even if people wanted to visit the old website, it's buried at the bottom of the new one, practically invisible.
Dick/Richard is the only one here I agree with. That is extremely commonly used slang, so it makes sense.