I’m talking about problems a lot more broad than music, hobby artists are a completely different entity than commercial artists and conflating them is targeted willful ignorance. And frankly, developers comprise the most coddled, overprivileged, out-of-touch professional sector south of the c-suite in any industry: your musings about income for anyone outside of the software business are meaningless.
Enjoy your mass layoffs because they aren’t stopping in my sector. Oh, are you one of the special ones too talented to be affected? That’s good news because all developers are according to them. Good luck.
I get it, but the anguish of people who were paid dramatically less and treated dramatically worse than software developers whose livelihoods are being deliberately harpooned by the software business is not "sour grapes." I'd expect the software culture to be tolerant of the upper class being being indifferent to that anguish, but I see people around here all but dancing on their graves with no real push back. I think y'all generally do a good job with this place but frankly, the utter lack of consideration for the people most affected while being quick to make sure they don't get too touchy about it says everything there is to know about SV culture: all the talk of ethics and fairness get thrown right out the window the second they start to conflict with the bottom line. Fortunately American culture on a whole seems to be following suit so at least it won't seem weird. I don't think I can even passively participate in this culture anymore. I bid you well.
Sorry no. Here on HN, your having a vested interest in some market makes your opinion entirely invalid. That is, enless you're interested in one of the correct markets such as software or AI services.
That's why corporations that have made creative products have traditionally never gone anywhere. They all just went out of business. And all the artists got rich.
Yeah-- in a professional workflow, at best, these tools are for getting ideas rather than creating output that will be used directly. Lots of folks use them for actual creation because they're just so enamored with the ability to create vaguely technically competent output from text, but they're all pretty much a bee-line to mediocre, and overcoming mediocrity is absolutely the most difficult part of working with AI output. The same is true with text, as you mentioned, and image generators. As Charles Eames said, "The details are not the details. They make the design." Well, these tools suck with details, and details convey character, perspective, message, meaning, etc. Surely the tooling will improve this in years to come, but it certainly hasn't yet.
It's incredibly elitist to gatekeep people having their plans, actions, opinions, and philosophical ideas taken seriously just because they haven't trudged through the onerous process of considering what humanity has already learned about those things. Do these people expect everybody that wants to profit must try to predict the damage that their actions could cause among people that will obviously be affected? Some people just don't like ethics that much, and expecting them to be beholden to their boundaries is pretty old fashioned.
Yes, there are a TON of free tools and endless instruction on using them. If you move your budget up to making one-time payments for things that cost less than one month using a subscription service, you get an astonishing breadth of new options. Beyond that, so many of the more expensive music making tools are one-time payments rather than subscription services. Buy Ableton once? You own it. You can get the latest version at a discount, but there's absolutely nothing stopping you from using the version you bought, in perpetuity.
People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs. If you didn't understand what they don't, you'd realize that companies spending billions of dollars to create tools that make cheap simulacra of artists' work to sell them at a loss to crush them in their own markets was merely the natural progression of artistic praxis. Despite it being economically unsustainable and clearly only cheap until it craters the value of artistic skill, these tools have democratized creativity. Instead of creation only being available to those with the interest and willingness to practice and develop their artistic sense, process, and skill, they're now broadly available to anyone willing to pay money for a subscription service that will obviously soon be a hell of a lot more expensive, or shell out a few thousands dollars for a top-tier video card that you almost certainly already have in your gaming rig, anyway. This is silicon valley progress and if you don't like it, you're a communist.
The selection definitely changed. As soon as "Slashdot Video" started happening-- obviously a bunch of advertisements presented as news-- I was done.
Initially, the aggregation was only part of it-- the discussion was the best part. By the time Slashdot Video started happening, the comments had already gotten a bit 4chan-esque. I consistently saw comments rated "3: Troll" or similar because people were just using upvotes (without any specific descriptors) to counter what others had downvoted as obvious troll comments. Last time I went back, I looked into the comments to see pages-upon-pages of ascii art swastikas and just thought... why the hell would I bother with this?
The lack of moderation over there probably started as a philosophical stance that, at that early, naive juncture in the internet, I sympathize with. I'm guessing that after that, it just became a cash cow that they didn't want to bother creating an FTE to manage, and now most of the remaining users are there solely because it's a community that rewards being an obnoxious edge lord spewing out content-free insults as long as they resonate with the obnoxious majority in the comments.
Yeah— I hate coming across a doc that’s less like a technical reference, or even a tutorial, and more like a treatise on the philosophy behind their technical decisions. I know it’s a bit controversial, but I find Python’s docs like that. They’re very thorough and great for reading about how the Python interpreter does things, and why, but if you need to quickly reference something about a function or a quick reminder about syntax you infrequently use, they’re miles behind MDN’s JavaScript docs, any of the .NET language docs I’ve used, Elixir’s, and even PHP (though the lack of versioning when I used it seemed dangerous).
Yeah I did a brief scan and a brief search for opinions on their practices when I saw the comment I initially replied to and didn’t find anything concerning. Doesn’t mean there isn’t anything, but it either wasn’t serious enough to be surfaced, or nobody more knowledgeable than me has looked.
That’s right. Things are changing and it’s going to be a really tough pill to swallow for a lot of people that only think they understand what work looks like for nearly everyone else in the world.
Ask the nurses how much they got for severance when steward health closed. Or what my severance was when I got laid off in 2009 working as a fine dining line cook as a culinary school graduate. Or the career concept artists replaced by AI. Add all three up, throw in 4 bucks, and you can buy yourself a coffee at Starbucks. And all of their salaries were a hell of a lot lower, even in the exact same housing markets. Hell you might be able to add all three up and still be in the neighborhood of junior developer.
The dev world’s baseline for what constitutes good treatment, bad treatment, and fairness from employers, an acceptable amount of disposable income, acceptable housing expenses, etc. is completely detached from the rest of the working world. Now that the demand is dramatically changing, that will probably also dramatically change, and that’s going to be rough. If it does, maybe it will recover. It has before, but this seems like a much more significant change.
Well, we could ‘maybe’ ourselves to a lot of admirable explanations but lacking specific evidence that any of them are true, Occam’s Razor is the most reasonable way to evaluate this. In the very recent past Altman had shown no meaningful attempt to make this company sustainable. He has worked to increase its growth rate, but that’s a very different goal.
Right. There’s obviously a totally valid market-based reason for it, and I am absolutely not implying that developers should receive less of that than they do. However, its an external factor which gives many developers a very skewed understanding of how much work most people expend for the amount of money they receive and agency they get at work, and how much they’re worth as workers outside of the software world with roughly the same amount of ambition and effort. Compared to most industries, software companies coddled developers and really tried to trump up the mystique of the great hacker genius. While particularly apparent in the restaurant industry, developers thinking they’ve ‘solved’ an unrelated business they’ve got no experience in using their genius software brain or assume they can simply transfer their existing skills to a new field is pretty common. I encountered one developer who thought they’d simply pivot to crime to keep their family comfortable, which is hilarious. The beginning of a career in crime is long and full of petty bullshit crimes that pay very little because you don’t have the wisdom to not get caught doing more serious crimes, and you don’t have the network to support you doing things like getting unregistered guns, fencing, etc. What I wouldn’t pay to see that guy walk into a bar in a rough part of town, order a craft beer, and try to debate the sketchiest people he saw about why he’d make a trustworthy partner in crime.
Enjoy your mass layoffs because they aren’t stopping in my sector. Oh, are you one of the special ones too talented to be affected? That’s good news because all developers are according to them. Good luck.