neimado · HackerTrans

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

No, "we" really do not love significant whitespace.

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

In 15 years of coding javascript I've never had a significant problem with == vs ===. If anything using === got me into more trouble than using ==, but it really depends on coding style and making other mistakes that would cause a problem down the line with ===. If your coding style doesn't lead you into those mistakes you'll never see them, but other might. It's still not a good reason to abandon javascript and go to coffeescript.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

what a shame you chose to do this in Coffeescript. Would have looked much more beautiful if written in JavaScript.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

I agree. Also they aren't using 1TBS for the code examples, and that will naturally lead to noob javascript programmers running into trouble when they inevitably type

  return  
  {
    hello:"world"
  }

using 1TBS will naturally lead the programmer to type the correct javascript syntax

  return {  
    hello:"world"
  }

1TBS is naturally a better fit for javascript programming.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

It still does nothing to support the millions of IE6, 7 & 8 users, and VML has been around since IE5.x - it's really not much different than SVG either. Seeing a vector library these days that doesn't support VML is just sad. I've written my own and it works back to IE5.5. Animation performance isn't great but it isn't that bad either. IE's DOM is actually not as slow as one might think it is.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

what a bubble they've become.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

"industry dream-boat Paul Irish" is where I stopped reading. eww. he doesn't even know how setTimeout works.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

I doubt it matters that you did this in CoffeeScript at all. so what.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

1:1? This is so much bullshit i don't even know where to start.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

I've never once run into a 'forgot a semicolon' problem in 15 years of programming javacsript. semicolons are optional, and if you are fretting over a misplaced semicolon, you are doing it wrong. What really is a pain is if you forget an indentation in coffeescript, or your whitespace isn't "just so", you'll get compiler errors.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

"CoffeeScript: The beautiful way to write JavaScript" is a fucking ridiculous thing to say. I'll counter that with Coffeescript is an ugly way to write javascript. Go ahead and say I'm wrong. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I don't give a shit if I get downvotes, it's a ridiculous thing to post everywhere that javascript is somehow 'ugly' and coffeescript is somehow 'beautiful'. It's really quite retarded.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

No, you aren't trying to "improve JS semantics", you are trying to 'Rubyify' Javascript. You've created a language that is NOT javascript. Sorry, but no matter how hard you try to sell it as === javascript, it still will never be javascript. It's a Ruby syntax wrapped around javascript with some bells and whistles. It isn't a solution for javascript programmers, but it might be a solution for Ruby programmers.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

coffescript !== javascript, and it never will === javascript.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

I write javascript and I don't feel 'dead inside'. I love writing javascript, and I code all day every day. Just because you hate it doesn't mean it's bad.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

I agree with everything you are saying. Coffeescript really is for people who prefer a ruby/python syntax, and who just don't like javascript's syntax.

BEATUY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER people! Just because you find javascript 'ugly' and coffeescript 'beautiful' doesn't actually mean everyone agrees with you. I think Javascript is beautiful and I've been coding it for 14 years. I have no need to replace the syntax, or complicate my development tools, or make debugging any more complicated that it already is.

Coffeescript evangelists are like born-agains who try to convert every man woman or child to their newfound religion because their god is the true god. It's annoying really.

neimado

vor 15 Jahrendiscuss

I don't agree with your opinion at all. Your claim that coffeescript is somehow 'better' than javascript is just false. You prefer one syntax, fine, but don't assume that it is somehow 'better'. I prefer Javascript. I do not prefer Coffeescript at all, and I get javascript, and have gotten it for 14 years.

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