The Drone That Will Change Graffiti(motherboard.vice.com)
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The Drone That Will Change Graffiti
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I have to say I was expecting a bit more than him just spraying a big dirty tag on the side of the building. Pretty lame and costly for the museum to deal with.
i think that's what's special about graffiti. it has a heart of damage, of destruction; of disrespect. it has undeniable artistic elements to it, but it remains very difficult for people, even those in the 'quite accepting out-of-the-box' world of the LA art scene, to reconcile. they invited a vandal and he vandalized. i think that's kind of beautiful in a way.
"why didn't he respect our space, our praise, our attention, our money? why didn't he respect that he was being given something 'bigger' and 'better' and 'more' than his petty world of crime?" because fuck you. graffiti is fuck you. still. regardless of recent attempts to embrace it, recognize it, retain it, reform it from the art and corporate worlds. it's attractive and interesting and 'hip' to these people, but they struggle with it.
i remember reading a graf mag sometime in the 90s, and a rather amazing and accomplished artist said something to the effect of "i think what's most important is damage. everyone can do damage, regardless of skill." i throughly rejected this as a young kid looking for an artistic outlet, but many years later, after becoming a part of the corporate world learning more about art and business and society and money, i think he had something. i think maybe that is what's important. it's not art that everyone can call art, even some people that are trying really hard.
"why didn't he respect our space, our praise, our attention, our money? why didn't he respect that he was being given something 'bigger' and 'better' and 'more' than his petty world of crime?" because fuck you. graffiti is fuck you. still. regardless of recent attempts to embrace it, recognize it, retain it, reform it from the art and corporate worlds. it's attractive and interesting and 'hip' to these people, but they struggle with it.
i remember reading a graf mag sometime in the 90s, and a rather amazing and accomplished artist said something to the effect of "i think what's most important is damage. everyone can do damage, regardless of skill." i throughly rejected this as a young kid looking for an artistic outlet, but many years later, after becoming a part of the corporate world learning more about art and business and society and money, i think he had something. i think maybe that is what's important. it's not art that everyone can call art, even some people that are trying really hard.
But this (http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/duchamp-fountain-t07573/...) was 100 years ago. And Duchamp was quite articulate in thumbing his nose at the establishment and the notion of the object ("because fuck you"). Keith Haring was 35 years ago (and with more visual creativity, and something to say). How does this continue that line? Not very well. It's been done already, and better.
I saw this title and really hoped that it wouldn't be about this Katsu piece. For me it represents the worst of the intersection between art and tech, in that it isn't doing anything new or interesting in either fields, but riding solely off the fumes of 'daring' to combine the two.
I'd assume the audience of Silicon Valley Contemporary were savvy enough to see through galleries thin attempts to pander to them with stuff like this and "We accept bitcoin!" signs. I think SV is being looked at as a bit of a sitting duck due to the combo of huge amounts of money + generally small frame of reference when it comes to modern & contemporary art amongst its inhabitants (I think that's fair to say). It's the sort of situation art advisors dream about.
I'd assume the audience of Silicon Valley Contemporary were savvy enough to see through galleries thin attempts to pander to them with stuff like this and "We accept bitcoin!" signs. I think SV is being looked at as a bit of a sitting duck due to the combo of huge amounts of money + generally small frame of reference when it comes to modern & contemporary art amongst its inhabitants (I think that's fair to say). It's the sort of situation art advisors dream about.
Well-informed and well-put. May I ask, are you connected to the art world somehow? I had the same reaction to this piece (our comments were much the same, and made at the same time), perhaps because my wife shows in LA and I've inherited her skepticism of this kind of showboating.
And this is why we can't have nice things.
Seriously I think a wonderful investment right now might be to buy 1,000 Phantom's and just put them in a warehouse so that when they are banned you can resell them for 10x the markup. I am still waiting for the taser drone.
In an unrelated note, in the 1984 movie Runaway [1] the protagonist uses a quadcopter equivalent to go in and scout a 'hostile' robot situation. I could easily see this sort of deployment by police becoming common. If it stops them from coming in guns blazing it will be a good thing.
[1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088024/
Seriously I think a wonderful investment right now might be to buy 1,000 Phantom's and just put them in a warehouse so that when they are banned you can resell them for 10x the markup. I am still waiting for the taser drone.
In an unrelated note, in the 1984 movie Runaway [1] the protagonist uses a quadcopter equivalent to go in and scout a 'hostile' robot situation. I could easily see this sort of deployment by police becoming common. If it stops them from coming in guns blazing it will be a good thing.
[1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088024/
No doubt this is a totally cool drone, but this is why the FAA and the states are tying themselves in knots trying to regulate the crap out of this. Regulation is coming, most likely with a heavy hand, and our community wonders why...
What community wonders why? The online RC community has a prominent faction that is ridiculously skittish about any RC activity it deems even remotely risky. Go to any RC forum and you'll see these guys absolutely tearing apart other hobbyists for the tiniest mistake or risky maneuver.
Do you really think a ban on consumer remote controlled aircraft is likely, or for that matter feasible? It certainly wouldn't be feasible to ban homemade ones, since all the parts are far too general-purpose and ubiquitous to ban (with the possible exception of propellers).
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I think we are barely scratching surface of what could be done with drones. While technology now still imposes some restrictions, tomorrow sky is the limit.
For example construction. Right now there is a lot of heavy machinery at a construction site and humans to operate them, in future significant part of that could be replaced with drones. While it vastly more expensive to develop a drone compared to training a human and building machinery, drones have nearly infinite scaling[0].
Construction drones could also help address extraordinarily high development costs (California I am looking at you).
[0] If you make one drone work, getting a million drones is relatively easy, compared to training a million humans if you trained one.
For example construction. Right now there is a lot of heavy machinery at a construction site and humans to operate them, in future significant part of that could be replaced with drones. While it vastly more expensive to develop a drone compared to training a human and building machinery, drones have nearly infinite scaling[0].
Construction drones could also help address extraordinarily high development costs (California I am looking at you).
[0] If you make one drone work, getting a million drones is relatively easy, compared to training a million humans if you trained one.
Obligatory link to swarm UAV construction article with video - http://io9.com/5734564/watch-a-swarm-of-flying-robotic-drone...
I was hoping for drones that catches taggers, instead it's an automated vandalism machine.
A drone to catch taggers is pretty trivial compared to a drone that paints.
So the police will have hunter-killer drones that patrol the skies on the lookout for tagger drones, and shoot them down. They just have to be able to distinguish the pizza-delivery drones and Amazon drones from the taggers.
It's not even automated.
Imagine the effect these drones could have on security cameras once they are out in the wild.
Ive been thinking the same thing for a while. Once graffiti drones become an easy DIY project there is only one way I can see them being combatted: ubiquitous aerial surveillance (which can track an object back to its source in video recordings). Incidentally this is also a drone based technology. See http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARGUS-IS for instance. I'll leave the idea of drone-hunting drones to sci fi, for now.
Just what we need, more graffiti.
You could also use this to paint over graffiti and just paint in general.
People are shooting at ducks, this sort of drone will be next.
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Yes, this is much better. It definitely should have been the post (I changed it). HN always wants the most substantive version of a story.
[Katsu] pioneered the fire extinguisher spray can, which has permitted him to expand the scale of his art by orders of magnitude. He famously demoed it at "Art in the Streets," a 2012 show at the the Los Angeles Museum of Contemporary Art, when, without invitation, he left his multi-story calling card on the side of the museum.
The part of the story that is not mentioned is that this show was very well-attended (it's graffiti! it's art! it's hip!), but very controversial in an LA art world that is quite accepting of out-of-the-box concepts. This show and shows like it precipitated the resignation of all the artists on the MOCA board, and then caused the departure of the museum director, Jeffrey Deitch, who had championed the show.
The reason this is worth mentioning is that the article is playing in to the same rather thoughtlessly "transgressive" narrative about graffiti being, in itself, a serious contribution to the art world. What we actually have here is an interesting tech demo of novel ways to apply spray paint. But, what is the artistic contribution of this work? What is this cultural intervention on the part of Katsu trying to accomplish? (Or put another way, "Why are you calling this art? What cultural effect do you want to achieve?")
All he talks about in the interview is (a) some rather tired reasoning about the paint effects offered by the new method of application, and (b) some uninteresting claims about reclaiming the drone in the name of artistic expression.
This is hip and meme-abundant, but I don't see how it seriously contributes to culture.