Personality and Change Inflamed Mozilla Crisis(nytimes.com)
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Personality and Change Inflamed Mozilla Crisis
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/technology/personality-and-change-inflamed-crisis-at-mozilla.html
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You're kidding, right? Liberals get fired by their conservative employers for their views all the time. It's nice to see it work the other way for once.
Everyone with the "what if it were the other way around" argument is completely out of touch. Our side has been dealing with it all along. Sucks to see it thrown back at you, doesn't it? Time to eat your own dogfood.
Everyone with the "what if it were the other way around" argument is completely out of touch. Our side has been dealing with it all along. Sucks to see it thrown back at you, doesn't it? Time to eat your own dogfood.
>Liberals get fired by their conservative employers for their views all the time. It's nice to see it work the other way for once.
Where's the evidence? And regardless of whether that's true or not, it's not right: you're effectively feeding social pressure to keep your beliefs private out of fear for retribution.
Almost as if you're reinforcing another closet on everyone else.
>Sucks to see it thrown back at you, doesn't it? Time to eat your own dogfood.
Tit for tat bullshit: you are no better than the anti-gay bullies.
I've supported equal marriage rights since high school, for the record, and lean left-lib.
Where's the evidence? And regardless of whether that's true or not, it's not right: you're effectively feeding social pressure to keep your beliefs private out of fear for retribution.
Almost as if you're reinforcing another closet on everyone else.
>Sucks to see it thrown back at you, doesn't it? Time to eat your own dogfood.
Tit for tat bullshit: you are no better than the anti-gay bullies.
I've supported equal marriage rights since high school, for the record, and lean left-lib.
> Where's the evidence?
The highest-profile example I can think of off the top of my head is NBC firing Phil Donahue. But it's normally people without a voice, like my mother, who don't have anyone leaking memos to prove it for them.
Edit: Oh look, someone who's not afraid to admit it: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/01/18/2-Obongo-supporter...
> it's not right
Isn't it? Why should I give money to an organization who's going to turn around and give it to a guy who's going to use it to compare my friends to child molesters?
> Almost as if you're reinforcing another closet on everyone else.
If your views involve enacting your religion into law, then yes, I want them buried in the closet where they can't harm anyone.
> Tit for tat bullshit: you are no better than the anti-gay bullies.
I'm not using the power of the state to enforce my views.
The highest-profile example I can think of off the top of my head is NBC firing Phil Donahue. But it's normally people without a voice, like my mother, who don't have anyone leaking memos to prove it for them.
Edit: Oh look, someone who's not afraid to admit it: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/01/18/2-Obongo-supporter...
> it's not right
Isn't it? Why should I give money to an organization who's going to turn around and give it to a guy who's going to use it to compare my friends to child molesters?
> Almost as if you're reinforcing another closet on everyone else.
If your views involve enacting your religion into law, then yes, I want them buried in the closet where they can't harm anyone.
> Tit for tat bullshit: you are no better than the anti-gay bullies.
I'm not using the power of the state to enforce my views.
Phil Donahue is a nice example, I'll concede, but it says more about the corruption of the MSM than anything.
>Why should I give money to an organization who's going to turn around and give it to a guy who's going to use it to compare my friends to child molesters
Where's the evidence that Eich has compared your friends to child molesters? You have none. Eich reaffirmed his own stance on equality going forward, at issue is that he just didn't want to recant his support for Prop 8, for which he donated his own money on his own time.
I'm not going to dignify your bullshit with any further responses just based on that comment.
>Why should I give money to an organization who's going to turn around and give it to a guy who's going to use it to compare my friends to child molesters
Where's the evidence that Eich has compared your friends to child molesters? You have none. Eich reaffirmed his own stance on equality going forward, at issue is that he just didn't want to recant his support for Prop 8, for which he donated his own money on his own time.
I'm not going to dignify your bullshit with any further responses just based on that comment.
Did you seriously not see the ads his money funded?
If he can't recant his donation, there is no reason to believe his vague "stance" on equality. Someone who is willing to enact their religion into law should be even more willing to enforce their religion in private employment. A promise not to do so rings hollow at best, incredibly hypocritical at worst.
Would it make you feel better if he were tossed for being a hypocrite?
If he can't recant his donation, there is no reason to believe his vague "stance" on equality. Someone who is willing to enact their religion into law should be even more willing to enforce their religion in private employment. A promise not to do so rings hollow at best, incredibly hypocritical at worst.
Would it make you feel better if he were tossed for being a hypocrite?
Ah yes, he could've spared himself the trouble by just parroting empty words. The heretic should've just recanted!
>there is no reason to believe his vague "stance" on equality.
There is: no one at Mozilla Co. publically doubted his stance on equality, in fact you had many coming to his side. It was people at Mozilla Fnd. who've never interacted with him, were the ones with doubts.
But instead of waiting for Eich, who said "I can only ask for your support to have the time to “show, not tell”; and in the meantime express my sorrow at having caused pain,[1]" to actually back up his words with actions, a bunch of social justice warriors decided that the heretic must burn. I'm not going to call them equal-marriage rights advocates because they're just acted like a bunch of bullies who thought he'd somehow "evolve" like our politicking President did.
It's shameful.
Hello to the person who decided to downvote all of my posts in a dead discussion, though. You must be so proud. Could've at least replied with a comment comparing Eich to the KKK or something.
[1] https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/
>there is no reason to believe his vague "stance" on equality.
There is: no one at Mozilla Co. publically doubted his stance on equality, in fact you had many coming to his side. It was people at Mozilla Fnd. who've never interacted with him, were the ones with doubts.
But instead of waiting for Eich, who said "I can only ask for your support to have the time to “show, not tell”; and in the meantime express my sorrow at having caused pain,[1]" to actually back up his words with actions, a bunch of social justice warriors decided that the heretic must burn. I'm not going to call them equal-marriage rights advocates because they're just acted like a bunch of bullies who thought he'd somehow "evolve" like our politicking President did.
It's shameful.
Hello to the person who decided to downvote all of my posts in a dead discussion, though. You must be so proud. Could've at least replied with a comment comparing Eich to the KKK or something.
[1] https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/
Two tips:
1) Don't whine about downvotes.
2) You can't downvote comments replying to your own, so the only post I could (and did) downvote was your first one.
1) Don't whine about downvotes.
2) You can't downvote comments replying to your own, so the only post I could (and did) downvote was your first one.
Presumably the Supreme Court judgment which vacated the result of the Proposition 8 plebiscite doesn't qualify as "the power of the state".
"Liberals get fired by their conservative employers for their views all the time."
Burden of proof is on you to prove this. Citing an example here and there does not qualify, since that constitutes something like 0.000000001% of conservative bosses who have liberal employees. I have all day. Please provide your evidence. Thanks.
Burden of proof is on you to prove this. Citing an example here and there does not qualify, since that constitutes something like 0.000000001% of conservative bosses who have liberal employees. I have all day. Please provide your evidence. Thanks.
Is all this heated language really necessary?
If you would have been outraged if he was pressured to resign for having the opposite opinion but think what happened is somehow appropriate: you are a bigot.
I wish him the best of luck, some good rest to think things over, and know that (despite his opinion otherwise) we are worse off when there's a Mozilla without Eich.