Where are the hacker news on Hacker news?(itceterablog.blogspot.hu)
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Where are the hacker news on Hacker news?
http://itceterablog.blogspot.hu/2014/02/where-are-hacker-news-on-hacker-news.html
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There's nothing stopping the OP (or anyone) submitting and voting new topics that they like. Looking at his/her profile I see he's only submitted 3 threads & 0 comments. The community here is an active thing, and if you want to it to change, you really have to contribute to it.
The blog itself has only one post on it
The Hacker in Hacker News refers to the subculture, not specifically to security. See http://hack.org/faq-hacker.html.
Oh gosh this dude never got it in the first place. I wonder what he thinks YC is.
People not part of the subculture would probably call them nerds :]
From http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html :
>On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.
>If your account is less than a year old, please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. (It's a common semi-noob illusion.)
On the other hand, I think there is at least 10% chance that this is a troll/joke though..
>On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.
>If your account is less than a year old, please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. (It's a common semi-noob illusion.)
On the other hand, I think there is at least 10% chance that this is a troll/joke though..
I completely disagree with this, I joined HN nearly 4 years ago, and even back then it was a mix of security, programming, start up, and general tech news.
The main change I've noticed in the last year or so is the rise of altcoin and NSA news - but having said that, when I joined there was a lot of TSA articles.
I think the OP is making the classic mistake of only remembering the good bits - "Summers were always hotter when I young", "4chan used to be good", etc
The main change I've noticed in the last year or so is the rise of altcoin and NSA news - but having said that, when I joined there was a lot of TSA articles.
I think the OP is making the classic mistake of only remembering the good bits - "Summers were always hotter when I young", "4chan used to be good", etc
I've been a fair while now and I think it goes through phases and not only that the very nature of the site changes depending on the timezone you access it in, so if your browsing habit changes, HN changes too. Sometimes HN gets political, sometimes it gets programming heavy, sometimes startup heavy.
HN at the weekend, for example, is much more like r/programming, the quality of comments is much more mixed, you still get some great discussions, but there's a lot more commentators who don't really seem to get programming or startups or business, there seems to be a lot more clueless people. And the weekend is when all those god-awful self-improvement articles get voted up.
The thing I do miss is the Show HN: posts of new startups, and they definitely have gone as Ask posts seem to have been heavily penalized so they drop like stones.
HN at the weekend, for example, is much more like r/programming, the quality of comments is much more mixed, you still get some great discussions, but there's a lot more commentators who don't really seem to get programming or startups or business, there seems to be a lot more clueless people. And the weekend is when all those god-awful self-improvement articles get voted up.
The thing I do miss is the Show HN: posts of new startups, and they definitely have gone as Ask posts seem to have been heavily penalized so they drop like stones.
I think there is some merit to this observation.
The hacker definition have been stretched more and more, while the posts here still fall within the sites definition of news, there seems to have been a shift to a higher focus on hacking your startup X's round A|B|C|... and less about hacking the technology.
tl;dr: I think there have been a shift from hacking the technology to hacking the finance.
tl;dr: I think there have been a shift from hacking the technology to hacking the finance.
The site was originally called Startup News. Hell, see the page from back then: https://web.archive.org/web/20070226001637/http://news.ycomb...
MySpace, Facebook, Delicious, Yahoo, TechStars, Y Combinator, if anything they were even more than now.
MySpace, Facebook, Delicious, Yahoo, TechStars, Y Combinator, if anything they were even more than now.
I'm not sure this is really a shift. This site was founded by a seed funding organization, so it shouldn't be a surprise to find lots of funding related stories here. It has always been like this as far as I can remember.
> I think there have been a shift from hacking the technology to hacking the finance.
I'd rather have finance hacking (I was thinking bitcoin) than yet another article on the NSA.
I'd rather have finance hacking (I was thinking bitcoin) than yet another article on the NSA.
You are confusing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28programmer_subcultur... with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28computer_security%29
They are not mutually exclusive.
From the guidelines "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity."
I love RMS's chopsticks anecdote about hacking. It further drives the point that a hack doesn't always have to be on computer software.
http://www.stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html
http://www.stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html
This might be up your alley: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7254884
This post is like 6 months early
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
You seem to have misunderstood. The point of the "Eternal September" is that the effect that used only to happen once a year started to happen all the time. It was once the case that the newbies and the clueless would flood UseNet in September, the start of the college year, asking the same questions over and over and over again. Then AOL gave internet access to everyone, and so the clueless weren't restricted to just September.
So the fact that this comes now, not in September, is an exemplar of the Eternal September, not an exception.
So the fact that this comes now, not in September, is an exemplar of the Eternal September, not an exception.
It's worth remembering that this board was originally called Startup News. Acquisitions, fundraising is still relevant to that intent at least.
It took more than a month to realize that HN community is a small branch of a seed accelerator by Paul Graham. As such, expecting anything more than what you're getting is naive. Of course everybody here is interested on startups and their stories (failures and successes).
That said, ones needs to define what the word hacker stands for. Until 5 years ago, I'd agree that a hacker is a computer geek with strong ties to the security field. Nowadays I am not interested in security as much as building up things and I don't believe that the word should have these kind of restrains anyway.
The average user level on HN is really high for my standards. I see posts ranging from bio-informatics, to mathematics, economics and world politics. But more importantly I see insightful comments from people on and off the discussion field. So yes, this is a hacker's community and the name is appropriate IMHO.
That said, ones needs to define what the word hacker stands for. Until 5 years ago, I'd agree that a hacker is a computer geek with strong ties to the security field. Nowadays I am not interested in security as much as building up things and I don't believe that the word should have these kind of restrains anyway.
The average user level on HN is really high for my standards. I see posts ranging from bio-informatics, to mathematics, economics and world politics. But more importantly I see insightful comments from people on and off the discussion field. So yes, this is a hacker's community and the name is appropriate IMHO.
> world politics.
That's not supposed to be here. Those topics tend to end up in pretty lame discussions.
That's not supposed to be here. Those topics tend to end up in pretty lame discussions.
If you joined HN in 2013 it's way too soon to start waxing nostalgic.
HN content driven by users. It's always evolving. There is no 1-person pushing the content, it's there because people want to read it. In 6 months whats popular maybe different again. Silly post!
There are many alternative places you can check out for pure technical discussions.
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming for example.
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming for example.
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Since the content is promoted by the users, Hacker News is what the majority of its readers wants it to be.
People that are interested in pure hacking stuff already found better sources, like good subreddits.
People that are interested in pure hacking stuff already found better sources, like good subreddits.
Actually, I never understood how promotion works here.
As an example, I submitted a website about a project of our own a couple months ago and got 4 points. Never made it past the "new" page.
A month later, someone else submitted exactly the same project and got 70 votes, getting to the front page and resulting in about 30.000 visits to our site.
Same content, different user.
So is this site about interesting content? Or about WHO submits this content?
As an example, I submitted a website about a project of our own a couple months ago and got 4 points. Never made it past the "new" page.
A month later, someone else submitted exactly the same project and got 70 votes, getting to the front page and resulting in about 30.000 visits to our site.
Same content, different user.
So is this site about interesting content? Or about WHO submits this content?
Same content, different user.
And different day, different time, different selection of users looking at /new.
I'm not saying there isn't favoritism (and I don't think that's necessarily bad), but there's also plenty of randomness involved.
And different day, different time, different selection of users looking at /new.
I'm not saying there isn't favoritism (and I don't think that's necessarily bad), but there's also plenty of randomness involved.
Well indeed, but the exact same URL, only submitted one month later, should at least have reverted some karma on the user who submitted the project originally. Especially if the project was of his own creation...
When you submit is also critical.
You get about an hour on the first page of the new page. There need to be enough faces that are interested in your topic reading in that hour.
You get about an hour on the first page of the new page. There need to be enough faces that are interested in your topic reading in that hour.
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Well, even with misunderstanding of hacking, still there is barely anything programming related on front page. HN looks like a "tech world news, and some other interesting stuff". Can't say if it was that different last year, wasn't following HN then. But currently it is reddit front page with lest cats and a little more tech news
Way to abuse the word "hacking".
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I don't really see a difference between now and a year ago. Between nowadays and four years ago yes, maybe. But I don't recall HN being more tech-oriented one year ago than it is now.
Actually, this same complaint pops up like every two months at max and if it were true each time HN would be TechCrunch by now.
Actually, this same complaint pops up like every two months at max and if it were true each time HN would be TechCrunch by now.
The biggest change I've found is that, more and more, HN resembles Slashdot's YRO (Your Rights Online) section: http://yro.slashdot.org/
You could start your own. Call it “Hacker Hacker News: Hacker News for Hackers”
Seems like hacker news becomes a news feed about tech and things that interest people. Not totally hacking but after some time, I just got hooked up to the trends that they post here.
I've been lurking on HN now for more than 2years, and the change OP is referring about is totally true...
I don't care about boring news coming from TC/Mashable/... Now HN is only about:
-Facebook -blogging shit -why no women in IT ? bouhouhou we are all macho jerk.. common grow a pair white knights, smells like virgins over here. -"How Xcompany raised x$$, and why you should definitively not listen to these advices..." -"Hey guys i'm a rich mofos working in IT AMA..."
1. Go back on reddit 2. Why so many Commercial/marketing bullshitters ?
I don't care about boring news coming from TC/Mashable/... Now HN is only about:
-Facebook -blogging shit -why no women in IT ? bouhouhou we are all macho jerk.. common grow a pair white knights, smells like virgins over here. -"How Xcompany raised x$$, and why you should definitively not listen to these advices..." -"Hey guys i'm a rich mofos working in IT AMA..."
1. Go back on reddit 2. Why so many Commercial/marketing bullshitters ?
I agree - real complaint being made is that this feed has become more and more focused on bullshit business strategy and entrepreneurial tips.
This site is less about technology and more about how to make money from technology.
The various corporate movements of big tech companies is not 'Hacker subculture' and never was.
This site is less about technology and more about how to make money from technology.
The various corporate movements of big tech companies is not 'Hacker subculture' and never was.
No, it's not becoming more and more. It always has, as I've shown in my post linking back to the Wayback Archive. You're all wearing rose-colored glasses.
The same '-Facebook -blogging shit -why no women in IT' was definitely a prominent part of HN 2 years ago..
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"White knights"? "Smells like virgins"? Are you 14 years old?
If you are over 14, maybe the reason people care about misogyny in technology is folks such as yourself providing a good object lesson.
If you are over 14, maybe the reason people care about misogyny in technology is folks such as yourself providing a good object lesson.
Yeah because we have to talk about this every single day, and promote every single post about it...
Last months they were at least more than 2 post per day about this subject on HN frontpage.
This is not relevant anymore, and coming saying to us "IT guys" that we are all macho ass*, every single day is totally counter productive. And i don't know if you guys in the US are total douches but here in Europe we respect Womens @work
Last months they were at least more than 2 post per day about this subject on HN frontpage.
This is not relevant anymore, and coming saying to us "IT guys" that we are all macho ass*, every single day is totally counter productive. And i don't know if you guys in the US are total douches but here in Europe we respect Womens @work
I'm European, and in Europe there is quite a bit of a problem as well. It's quite relevant, and if you aren't aware of why, you should educate yourself.
Also, maybe people wouldn't think you were a macho jerk if you didn't act like it. Hint: normal adults don't say things like "common grow a pair white knights, smells like virgins over here". Boys trying to act macho do.
Also, maybe people wouldn't think you were a macho jerk if you didn't act like it. Hint: normal adults don't say things like "common grow a pair white knights, smells like virgins over here". Boys trying to act macho do.
Cant agree. The thing I unlinke most is links related to politics getting included a lot.
It's all about startups and "Investors" and VCs and all kinds of stuff (which IMHO kinda sucks).
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I've been reading this site for over four years now and it was never good, maybe with the exception of the odd Erlang day.
This site has never been good in the four years you have been reading it...
Yet you are still here, reading and commenting...
Why?
Yet you are still here, reading and commenting...
Why?
I don't know. I'm in the same position. I don't care about 99% of threads, I don't care about startups or other businesses of any kind, and I believe this site suffers from a particular brand of group think I don't associate with.
When there's any technical discussion that interest me, I believe 95% of participants don't have any idea what they are talking about, and 5% sort of know better but are wrong.
Yet I still come. I don't know why, it's like an obsession. I can't explain it.
Maybe for the occasional interesting link that appears every couple of days and I wouldn't have found it otherwise.
Nah, it's not that.
When there's any technical discussion that interest me, I believe 95% of participants don't have any idea what they are talking about, and 5% sort of know better but are wrong.
Yet I still come. I don't know why, it's like an obsession. I can't explain it.
Maybe for the occasional interesting link that appears every couple of days and I wouldn't have found it otherwise.
Nah, it's not that.
Sorry for the off-topic comment, but this reminds me of a discussion I had on Slashdot where one old timer said something to the effect of "the editors were never good" and we were looking at the past through rose coloured glasses.
Indeed, many of the posts in Hacker news are not related to hacking in any way. How about to call it Hipster News?
Amen.
you know what it's actually the outside of tech related topics and the great discussions coming from the tech crowd is what makes this place so much more interesting.
Say, March 2008: https://web.archive.org/web/20080302094434/http://news.ycomb...
Some of the headlines: Logo Design Trends 2008, Microsoft May Buy Email Startup Xobni, Rumor: Microsoft about to unveil web-apps strategy, The Coming Death Of Indian Outsourcing.
Doesn't sound so different. Maybe May, 2010? https://web.archive.org/web/20100524025853/http://news.ycomb...
Headlines: Facebook’s ‘Like’ button makes me lonely, Europeans Fear Crisis Threatens Liberal Benefits, Google Map Mashups are About to Get a Lot Better, Amazon's Universal Wish List button.
Okay, maybe from last year, as OP mentioned: https://web.archive.org/web/20130214172414/http://news.ycomb...
Headlines: The United States Redrawn as Fifty States with Equal Population, Disqus bait and switch, now with ads, Berkshire and 3G Capital to Buy Heinz for $23 Billion, I Was a Political Prisoner at Birth in North Korea, How Silicon Valley Fosters Plivo's Cloud-Based Telephony.
Nope, sorry, I don't see it.