Ask HN: Does college GPA matter?
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Depends on your goals. As an autodidact myself who has spent 8/9 years as a software developer and now a couple years as a data analyst/scientist with but a high school education I can tell you either way can lead you to great things. It should be noted that I'm now enrolled in school however and pursuing my bachelors with an eventual goal of getting my master's degree.
Why? Three things:
One is credibility. I notice myself referencing that different people have their masters in a topic and it means something to me.
Two is that college has forced me to learn things I don't care about.
Three is that building a curriculum around topics I don't know is extremely hard as is spending a budgeted amount of time on it and objectively measuring whether or not I learned anything.
The quote you posted is nonsense. The only thing that interferes with your learning is your pride.
Why? Three things:
One is credibility. I notice myself referencing that different people have their masters in a topic and it means something to me.
Two is that college has forced me to learn things I don't care about.
Three is that building a curriculum around topics I don't know is extremely hard as is spending a budgeted amount of time on it and objectively measuring whether or not I learned anything.
The quote you posted is nonsense. The only thing that interferes with your learning is your pride.
Not as much as many would have you believe, though aiming for A/B grades in your core curricula would be a good thing generally. In many colleges with grade inflation (and this particularly includes more selective schools), anything less than a 'B' is pretty much the mark of death. In engineering or STEM programs, it's not unusual for the median grade in and early "weeder" course to be a D or F.
In many cases, what a high GPA shows is that you've got a highly developed ability to get along with the system. For positions in which that's important, you'll get higher consideration than someone with a lower GPA.
There are a lot of observations about how grades don't correlate well with innate ability. There are several well-known cases of highly successful tech entrepreneurs who'd dropped out of college (Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg). Though I can also think of many who've completed undergrad or advanced-degree programs as well. Robert Pirsig in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance notes that his best students (he was a college professor for a time) got the worst grades. Of course, the worst students did as well, so don't be guided by false equivalence. My experience is that if you're actively and directly questioning material, you may well find your nominal academic performance suffers for it.
For tech in particular, execution matters far more than GPA, and having a solid project or projects under your belt will amount for far more than a high GPA. I know and have worked with many people who lack a formal college degree but who were absolutely brilliant in their work. Sadly, the lack of degree can limit opportunities and/or upward mobility in many firms, though this may change, particularly with recent trends in college costs and financing.
In many cases, what a high GPA shows is that you've got a highly developed ability to get along with the system. For positions in which that's important, you'll get higher consideration than someone with a lower GPA.
There are a lot of observations about how grades don't correlate well with innate ability. There are several well-known cases of highly successful tech entrepreneurs who'd dropped out of college (Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg). Though I can also think of many who've completed undergrad or advanced-degree programs as well. Robert Pirsig in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance notes that his best students (he was a college professor for a time) got the worst grades. Of course, the worst students did as well, so don't be guided by false equivalence. My experience is that if you're actively and directly questioning material, you may well find your nominal academic performance suffers for it.
For tech in particular, execution matters far more than GPA, and having a solid project or projects under your belt will amount for far more than a high GPA. I know and have worked with many people who lack a formal college degree but who were absolutely brilliant in their work. Sadly, the lack of degree can limit opportunities and/or upward mobility in many firms, though this may change, particularly with recent trends in college costs and financing.
Myself and some of my friends fretted over grades in college a lot more than we should have.
You should aim for a 3.5 or higher on a 4.0 scale. If you're going for a particularly tough job, maybe 3.8. Less than a 3.5 cuts out a lot of more competitive companies, and less than a 3.0 is pretty much death unless you have a very good reason (this assumes you can get past the HR filters).
What will a 4.0/4.0 get you? Basically nothing, except for some extra bragging rights. My graduating CS semester only had about 5 or 7 people who had a 4.0, but most of us had job offers prior to leaving college. GPA will count for your first or second job out of college, then not matter as much.
Note, I went to a top 10 school for computer science. You may have to scale this somewhat if your school isn't as "rigorous" according to the biases of your interviewers.
You should aim for a 3.5 or higher on a 4.0 scale. If you're going for a particularly tough job, maybe 3.8. Less than a 3.5 cuts out a lot of more competitive companies, and less than a 3.0 is pretty much death unless you have a very good reason (this assumes you can get past the HR filters).
What will a 4.0/4.0 get you? Basically nothing, except for some extra bragging rights. My graduating CS semester only had about 5 or 7 people who had a 4.0, but most of us had job offers prior to leaving college. GPA will count for your first or second job out of college, then not matter as much.
Note, I went to a top 10 school for computer science. You may have to scale this somewhat if your school isn't as "rigorous" according to the biases of your interviewers.
I had a near perfect undergrad GPA and did well ... but so did many friends with B averages. It makes getting into grad school easy. But grad school probably hurt my career than helping it. Google supposedly cares about GPA but I've never managed to get an offer from them. So GPA isn't everything.
I cared about my GPA in college because I was relying on scholarships to help me get through. I think generally, your first job out of college probably cares about your GPA, but after the first one, you can take it off the resume.
The answer is the following:
Yes, such that you should probably try hard enough that it doesn't accidentally hurt your chances in the future, but not as much that it should despair you from always improving yourself.
Yes, such that you should probably try hard enough that it doesn't accidentally hurt your chances in the future, but not as much that it should despair you from always improving yourself.
Personally, I love learning, but hate having my knowledge evaluated without cause. And, as a HS student, I'm at a critical point deciding whether or not university is a good fit for me. From my perspective, it seems that I might as well design my own (free) curriculum with MOOCS, internships, and self-motivated projects. On the other hand, though, if GPA struggles aren't mandatory in college, I could simply ignore material without purpose, replacing the workload with time to pursue my own interests.
FYI: I'll be a life long learner regardless of college. As said by our beloved physicist, "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."