Dawn of a New Internet Era(blog.icann.org)

50 pointsby sekyvor 13 Jahren43 comments

blog.icann.org

http://blog.icann.org/2013/10/dawn-of-a-new-internet-era/

43 comments

racbartvor 13 Jahren

For anyone like me interested in which new gTLDs were introduced but was surprised that their names were not included in the blog post:

شبكة (xn--ngbc5azd) — Arabic for "web/network"

онлайн (xn--80asehdb) — Cyrillic for "online"

сайт (xn--80aswg) — Cyrillic for "site"

游戏 (xn--unup4y) — Chinese for "game(s)"

Source: http://www.circleid.com/posts/20131023_first_new_gtlds_go_li...

wyclifvor 13 Jahren

It would be helpful if there were a list of all the new TLDs.

petepetevor 13 Jahren

Not exactly a 'list', but many of them are here: http://gtld.123-reg.co.uk/

edit: Here's a list: https://gist.github.com/peteryates/7132974

wyclifvor 13 Jahren

Thanks, exactly what I was looking for but couldn't find.

ultimatedelmanvor 13 Jahren

yeah, i couldn't believe they were talking about all these new gTLDs and then neglected to mention any of them.

srhngprvor 13 Jahren

Thanks for the list. I was trying to find it as well.

Serious question: what would sway one to register and use one of the above extensions compared to what's already out there? Other than localized content, I can't imagine typing شبكة would be simple...

Also, شبكة is also relevant in Farsi (Persian).

dslvor 13 Jahren

> I can't imagine typing شبكة would be simple...

It is pretty easy if that is your native keyboard. http://www.foreignlanguagekeyboard.com/images/kbarabic[1].jp...

mikeashvor 13 Jahren

"Other than localized content...."

I have a hard time comprehending your question. They've added a bunch of non-English TLDs which are clearly for use by non-English sites, but when you ask why someone would use them, you exclude the obvious use-case out of hand.

Aside from communicating with computers and other humans, what would anyone use the internet for?

wimlvor 13 Jahren

Hmm. On my (US) Mac, switch input method to Arabic, hit af;m and get شبكة . So no harder to type than "info" really if you already have your machine set up to switch between Arabic and Roman/Latin keyboard layouts.

sekyvor 13 Jahren

You're right, thanks for supplying the info

th0br0vor 13 Jahren

Thanks for the list!

It is somewhat ironic, that none of the registries are in (one of) the language's home countries... most especially given the recent NSA things happening.

timthimmaiahvor 13 Jahren

Looks like an application to apply is $185K, takes 4 months to process, and around a year to get approved. Not including costs for any legal or infrastructure needed to support your gTLD.

dslvor 13 Jahren

Total upfront costs are a little over a million from the applicants I have talked to.

The entire scheme benefits squatters (who register .shoes, .bacon, and 50 others) over legitimate users (who will get only say, .fedex). Once you Spend ~$800k in base costs (registry software, DNS infrastructure, etc), you just tack on an extra $200k for each extra name you want.

timthimmaiahvor 13 Jahren

Pretty much the question is: Who is the richest troll ever?

frogcodervor 13 Jahren

ICANN

icebrainingvor 13 Jahren

But will the ICANN accept those kinds of TLDs?

duskwuffvor 13 Jahren

So far, unfortunately, they've shown no sign of rejecting them.

kolevvor 13 Jahren

ICANN is a modern day Mafia. This is an extortion scheme to milk more money from corporations. Domains are becoming less and less irrelevant anyway - or at least gTLDs are. I cannot believe that we still tolerate the existence of this corrupt organization! The whole Redemption scheme is just unbelievable! Years pass and nobody does anything to get rid of this domainers-funded mafia!

lowglowvor 13 Jahren

[serious] Can we replace the icann?

nilvedvor 13 Jahren

Good question. gTLDs are an indication of them serving corporations over individuals and that means they're not to be used anyone.

colinbartlettvor 13 Jahren

Serious question: What is the detriment to the individual here?

nilvedvor 13 Jahren

The detriment is the lack of opportunity. gTLDs will become standard for the people who can pay for them and ordinary folks will be stuck on subdomains of conventional TLDs. Above all, it's an example of ICANN prioritizing money over a free web and the wealthy over the poor. No company that does that should have any control over the Internet.

mistermumblevor 13 Jahren

New happy hunting ground for scams, phishing, typosquatting, etc.

lwfvor 13 Jahren

> "When somebody sends you a message saying 'I'd like a new top-level domain name,' that gets handed to me, and I explain to them why that's a bad idea. Then they pretty much go away and we go on as before."

http://jonpos.tel/

duskwuffvor 13 Jahren

How ironic - this message is served on .tel, possibly one of the most useless TLDs implemented.

(Telnic, the registrar for .tel domains, does not permit registrants to change the nameservers, or even DNS. All .tel domains point to a single web server run by Telnic which can only display web pages with contact information.)

jdmitchvor 13 Jahren

It’s no accident that the first tranche of gTLDs to be delegated are all non-Latin strings

It's a shame it took so long, but hopefully this will stem the tide of young people who have been pushed towards using their language in transliterated form rather than the original script (I am thinking of Arabic dardasha writing specifically, but I imagine there are other examples)

icebrainingvor 13 Jahren

There were already TLDs in non-Latin strings. including Arabic. For example, Saudi Arabia has had .السعودية since 2010.

dreenvor 13 Jahren

Serious question here, what are the technical limitations in ditching gTLDs and allowing domain names to be any string?

kodablahvor 13 Jahren

Someone has to have root servers that serve the children of the TLD...where would those be looked up? The closest you could do is assume a TLD (i.e. .com) if it's not typed, but then you harm the non-.com names. It needs to be a tree where roots are controlled.

ryan-cvor 13 Jahren

We have this already. All TLDs are under the root domain, ".".

wmfvor 13 Jahren

You could start here http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-27ju...

ohashivor 13 Jahren

Someone has to maintain a list.

dreenvor 13 Jahren

OK so the responses seem to boil down to this. My question is rather why that list cannot live in a globally distributed database inside thousands of DNS servers, everywhere, operated by ISPs and volunteers. Sort of like now but every server would have a near-complete list of all domains that have no syntax or schema.

I guess the infrastructure costs would be higher, but what are other downsides? It definitely wouldn't be possible at the time of creation of DNS, but I can't see why it wouldn't be now.

dec0dedab0devor 13 Jahren

Thats exactly how it works now. http://www.iana.org/domains/root/files

dreenvor 13 Jahren

It doesnt because we have TLDs. Why is the hierarchy necessary? Why can't we have a one big list of strings matched with IP addresses?

ryan-cvor 13 Jahren

gTLDs do allow you to have a domain name that is almost any string - I think the max length is 63 characters after punycode encoding, however it costs a lot of money.

headcanonvor 13 Jahren

Here's hoping for .js sometime soon

colinbartlettvor 13 Jahren

I just want .app. There's a zillion web apps, mobile apps, or desktop apps that could use this. And it's very memorable.

creeblevor 13 Jahren

Not as memorable as .com.

kolevvor 13 Jahren

It's a scheme - consumer know ".com" and nothing else. Well, in other countries, their local gTLDs, too, but those new domains are an obvious scheme.

stephen_gvor 13 Jahren

It's not like regular people type in URLs much anyway, apart for a few sites (Google, Facebook, etc) - these days, pretty much everyone I've seen just googles the name.

I've even seen some adds actually say 'Google [word]' to find them instead of putting a URL, (or worse, 'Search [x] on Facebook!')

kolevvor 13 Jahren

Exactly why it's an ICANN scheme and not serving the public interest - domains are becoming less and less relevant and they want to do one last try to extort money from businesses.

mistermumblevor 13 Jahren

Yes. It is a cartel selling internet plumbing to technologists (bigco IT departments) and clue-challenged business-types as if this were some kind of perfect marketing strategy.

Best spend the money (USD 500K+) on SEO, or on simply improving the content and freshness of your existing site.