Show HN: Lean Specs - Simple project specifications and estimates(leanspecs.com)
leanspecs.com
Show HN: Lean Specs - Simple project specifications and estimates
http://www.leanspecs.com/
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We're showing a product we're about to launch in a couple of weeks and are looking for feedback and to hear what the HN crowd thinks about this kind of service.
There needs to be something for us to give feedback on.
I hope that your launch goes well.
I hope that your launch goes well.
Thank you :)
We hoped to get some feedback from people using current tools before we launch, and we're getting some already, so that's great.
We hoped to get some feedback from people using current tools before we launch, and we're getting some already, so that's great.
So now that you obliviously recieved your own spec from some HN commenters.. (I wanted at least screenshots man!)
What would be an example of current tools people are using for drafting tech specs beyond a word processor? What software is similar to yours / competition / etc?
What would be an example of current tools people are using for drafting tech specs beyond a word processor? What software is similar to yours / competition / etc?
This is an ok home page.
Your idea could be very good or very bad, depending on how your service works. But right now, there is no way to tell because it shows nothing at all.
You basically asked for some feedback on the content of some <title> tags.
Your idea could be very good or very bad, depending on how your service works. But right now, there is no way to tell because it shows nothing at all.
You basically asked for some feedback on the content of some <title> tags.
We want feedback from people who are building specifications with current tools, to help us make some decisions on the final featureset of the product. We wish we could show screenshots, but the interface currently is functionality only without design :(
Like the title, but was disappointed.
Coming up with a spec format that clients will like has always been a fairly easy problem to solve - as well the spec is usually worked on once the project has been awarded, so isn't even part of the sales process. As well it's hard to improve the writing + sharing experience of Word + Email or Google Docs + Sharing.
The attention to estimating is nice, and will save freelancers or less experienced teams time, but is only really useful to teams that do contract and custom work.
I was hoping for more of a focus on the collaborative work that comes out of writing specs: more around the commenting/editing/workflow. When working on a spec (either internal or external) change requests or modifications are important, as are interdependencies and change tracking.
Your product title made me think "GitHub for Specs" and it doesn't seam you're going that way. Shame.
Coming up with a spec format that clients will like has always been a fairly easy problem to solve - as well the spec is usually worked on once the project has been awarded, so isn't even part of the sales process. As well it's hard to improve the writing + sharing experience of Word + Email or Google Docs + Sharing.
The attention to estimating is nice, and will save freelancers or less experienced teams time, but is only really useful to teams that do contract and custom work.
I was hoping for more of a focus on the collaborative work that comes out of writing specs: more around the commenting/editing/workflow. When working on a spec (either internal or external) change requests or modifications are important, as are interdependencies and change tracking.
Your product title made me think "GitHub for Specs" and it doesn't seam you're going that way. Shame.
Joseph - thanks a lot for the feedback. We're at the stage that we're looking for feedback from other individuals and see how they are experiencing the pain we've experienced in the past.
We intend on reading every single feedback left on our form and here and discuss how we can better serve our potential users.
By the way - I loved the "github for specs" :)
We intend on reading every single feedback left on our form and here and discuss how we can better serve our potential users.
By the way - I loved the "github for specs" :)
No problem. Good luck with the new service.
Oh yeah - thinking back to consulting work - something that let me "make a beautiful spec and share it" would have felt like a one-time-use service. Subscribe for a month, make a spec, take the learnings and add it to my own Word template.
The problem I mentioned (collaborative spec maintenance) is something that I know I'd pay for as a subscription - specifically because it helps me manage something for the ongoing health of our products. It becomes more core.
The only downside is that a solution more aligned to infrastructure costs (as I have suggested) can't command as high a price premium as something that is aligned to revenue (i.e. help me rationalize/explain higher estimates to customers).
Oh yeah - thinking back to consulting work - something that let me "make a beautiful spec and share it" would have felt like a one-time-use service. Subscribe for a month, make a spec, take the learnings and add it to my own Word template.
The problem I mentioned (collaborative spec maintenance) is something that I know I'd pay for as a subscription - specifically because it helps me manage something for the ongoing health of our products. It becomes more core.
The only downside is that a solution more aligned to infrastructure costs (as I have suggested) can't command as high a price premium as something that is aligned to revenue (i.e. help me rationalize/explain higher estimates to customers).
We're not planning on stopping at "make a beautiful spec and share it" - we are building a tool that ease the pain of writing and collaborating on specs - with your clients and/or team.
Your feedback however is very valuable - since the product is still in its infancy (heck we haven't launched yet) and knowing we love to iterate a lot and based on real world findings - this is this kind of feedback that will help us shape the product.
So again - thanks a lot!
Your feedback however is very valuable - since the product is still in its infancy (heck we haven't launched yet) and knowing we love to iterate a lot and based on real world findings - this is this kind of feedback that will help us shape the product.
So again - thanks a lot!
Something to help format and present specifications to a client would likely be something I would be interested in trying.
However basing estimates on "industry averages" is probably about as bad an idea as letting your manager estimate your work for you.
As Joel Spolsky has said in at least one article[1]: Only the programmer who is going to do the work can figure out what steps they will need to take to implement that feature. And only the programmer can estimate how long each one will take.
Industry averages might be usable at some level as a sanity check, but honestly most software that is more complex than very basic CRUD is not going to conform to any "averages" for purposes of estimating.
[1] http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000245.html
However basing estimates on "industry averages" is probably about as bad an idea as letting your manager estimate your work for you.
As Joel Spolsky has said in at least one article[1]: Only the programmer who is going to do the work can figure out what steps they will need to take to implement that feature. And only the programmer can estimate how long each one will take.
Industry averages might be usable at some level as a sanity check, but honestly most software that is more complex than very basic CRUD is not going to conform to any "averages" for purposes of estimating.
[1] http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000245.html
Nothing to see here but I am curious to see what this team has come up with. As a UX Architect/Product Manager it's a tough game staying on top of client requests, clarifying them and then handing them off for development. I think the challenge is having something that meets the needs of everyone but is flexible enough to adjust for unforeseen work, new requirements and shifting priorities.
Matt,
Thanks a lot for the feedback - we know there's a huge pain for everyone involved in the specification stage.
I personally wrote so many spec documents and price proposals in my life and I can tell you that it was the part I enjoyed the least in the project. (Althought extremely crucial for its success).
I hope we can solve this pain and make this a better experience for everyone involved.
I personally wrote so many spec documents and price proposals in my life and I can tell you that it was the part I enjoyed the least in the project. (Althought extremely crucial for its success).
I hope we can solve this pain and make this a better experience for everyone involved.
For sure, when you launch the beta let me know and I'll give you my honest feedback. I might even be able to use it on a project but will have to take a look at the product first.
Great! We'll make sure to post a url on hacker news once we go live. Alternatively if you want to be notified - make sure to leave your email on http://www.leanspecs.com
Like the project idea, but like others have said, there's nothing much to show for right now.
I understand what you're trying to do -- outsourcing requirements for your MVP before invest more time -- but seriously, call a spade a spade... (This is probably more Ask HN than Show HN.)
I understand what you're trying to do -- outsourcing requirements for your MVP before invest more time -- but seriously, call a spade a spade... (This is probably more Ask HN than Show HN.)
Bummer. I've been thinking of a strategy to reform this exact process for my business, but there's nothing I can do here (yet). ETA?
rglove - we hope we'll be able to launch this product within 3-4 weeks top. Leave your email and feedback and we'll make sure to send you an email once we're live.
Ironic? That your website touting"lean" has a MVP that is too minimal?
I really like the social media share buttons. Are these custom made?
Yes, custom buttons who fetch the counters through the various (unofficial) APIs for each service. We'll be releasing a set of those on Github soon
They're also a bit broken: http://i.imgur.com/D916w.png
I have a recent Firefox with what seems like bigger fonts than you were expecting.
I have a recent Firefox with what seems like bigger fonts than you were expecting.
Thanks for catching that - we'll try to see if we can address that issue.
This seems to be a fairly common thing on HN - have half an idea, do a bit of webdesign and create a email-submission form.