Ask HN: Does this idea exist and who wants it?
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http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/04/19/imagekind-scores-partne...
Sold to Cafe Press recently ($20m I believe).
Sold to Cafe Press recently ($20m I believe).
This is interesting. I wonder if they do a one-click conversion of Flickr account to online store. And do they sell stock photo rights?
Clearly, there is a lot of money to be made in the photo space. It's universal - everyone has a camera and a hankering to be an artist - me included.
Clearly, there is a lot of money to be made in the photo space. It's universal - everyone has a camera and a hankering to be an artist - me included.
It's a bad idea. The reason it's a bad idea is because there is no sustainable competitive advantage and you're putting yourself in a position where Flickr could wake up one day and marginalize your entire business. (At which point it would be a race to the bottom margin-wise, until you go under and they have a monopoly on the service.)
It's funny how the people here on HN seem to equate "thing that would be fun to build and use" with "good idea for a profitable business."
It's funny how the people here on HN seem to equate "thing that would be fun to build and use" with "good idea for a profitable business."
If you have the easiest to use site, that makes people money off their Flickr purchases, then that's sustainable.
It's not like there is any "sustainable advantage" to Google search - they weren't first to market in the space, and they can be beat - but right now, no one can beat them.
It may be true - this app or Google might not last in "the long run." But what's the long run?
I'd say if you made this Flickr converter and made a few million bucks in a year or two, you'd be happy, even if Yahoo smashed you later.
Throwing around business buzz words like "sustainable competitive advantage" and "race to the bottom," and insulting the community to boot, is no way to argue. Take it from a guy who can program and who has a prestigious business degree - you are talking out of the wrong orifice.
It's not like there is any "sustainable advantage" to Google search - they weren't first to market in the space, and they can be beat - but right now, no one can beat them.
It may be true - this app or Google might not last in "the long run." But what's the long run?
I'd say if you made this Flickr converter and made a few million bucks in a year or two, you'd be happy, even if Yahoo smashed you later.
Throwing around business buzz words like "sustainable competitive advantage" and "race to the bottom," and insulting the community to boot, is no way to argue. Take it from a guy who can program and who has a prestigious business degree - you are talking out of the wrong orifice.
Uh, those aren't buzzwords. If you have to choose a project to work on for a startup, one of the first things you should be asking yourself is "what can I do to maintain a slight advantage over my competitors for some reasonable period of time?" This should be one of the first questions you ask, it's a pre-condition.
It might be an exclusive partnership, a difficult to replicate technology, a patent, an incredibly novel or non-obvious idea, something you have domain knowledge that's relatively exclusive, etc. This particular idea has none of these, and would be marginalized overnight if it showed any indications of being a profitable venture.
Also, when setting out on starting a project that's going to take more than a few weeks, you want to pick a really good idea. You only get a few shots at this, particularly if you're going to quit your day job. You'd best prune away ideas that, best case scenario, you expect to "make a million bucks in a year or two and get smashed." Instead, you want to focus on the few ideas you have that you think could become the next Google. Of course, it generally doesn't turn out this way, but you should at least feel that it's within the realm of possibility.
I wasn't insulting the community beyond the posters here who are saying this is a great idea without actually critiquing the business side of things. If I see bad advice, I'll point it out. (Although I'll admit it was a bit snarky, I was just a little taken back by all the "Great Idea!" posts.)
BTW, insulting the poster isn't the best way to argue, either.
It might be an exclusive partnership, a difficult to replicate technology, a patent, an incredibly novel or non-obvious idea, something you have domain knowledge that's relatively exclusive, etc. This particular idea has none of these, and would be marginalized overnight if it showed any indications of being a profitable venture.
Also, when setting out on starting a project that's going to take more than a few weeks, you want to pick a really good idea. You only get a few shots at this, particularly if you're going to quit your day job. You'd best prune away ideas that, best case scenario, you expect to "make a million bucks in a year or two and get smashed." Instead, you want to focus on the few ideas you have that you think could become the next Google. Of course, it generally doesn't turn out this way, but you should at least feel that it's within the realm of possibility.
I wasn't insulting the community beyond the posters here who are saying this is a great idea without actually critiquing the business side of things. If I see bad advice, I'll point it out. (Although I'll admit it was a bit snarky, I was just a little taken back by all the "Great Idea!" posts.)
BTW, insulting the poster isn't the best way to argue, either.
Dude above you is right: "If you have the easiest to use site, that makes people money off their Flickr purchases, then that's sustainable."
Look at Moo. They are A) profitable, B) run off Flickr, C) in a replicable space (e.g. not hard to copy), and D) still winning.
They win because they were first, and because they are cooler than the others.
Look at Moo. They are A) profitable, B) run off Flickr, C) in a replicable space (e.g. not hard to copy), and D) still winning.
They win because they were first, and because they are cooler than the others.
There's a difference between pointing out a company that doesn't have a clear advantage and saying that given an idea, it's one worth investing months of effort in despite the fact that it doesn't have one. You need to remember that most ideas you execute on generally fail (and take time in the process of failing,) so you need to be chooosy when it comes time to dedicate yourself to one.
That said, being first is a small advantage, particularly in a new space, but not a great one. The real benefit of being first is making it possible for you to build a bigger one (like mindshare,) but there's a lot more luck involved than if you had just started out on a project where you had an incredibly larger advantage. You don't see the failed versions of Moo, now do you?
That said, being first is a small advantage, particularly in a new space, but not a great one. The real benefit of being first is making it possible for you to build a bigger one (like mindshare,) but there's a lot more luck involved than if you had just started out on a project where you had an incredibly larger advantage. You don't see the failed versions of Moo, now do you?
The point is, it wouldn't take months to launch.
Ideas are not worthless! Good ideas can have potential, but as long as they're untested they're not worth money; they are worthy of pursuit.
For prints, it would be especially nice if customers also got a frame. Without a frame wall art looks cheap. It's no fun buying a beautiful poster and not being able to display it. If someone knows how to economically ship a frame, selling it together with the customer's choice of flickr art would be interesting.
We did this with Yaperture (http://yaperture.com), sort of. The costs associated with the buying and shipping of frames was way too high for the average consumer. So, we compromised and sold the photos with thick museum-quality matting.
As four bars wrapped in a poster, with pins (or glue) to put it together, perhaps?
That sounds good expense-wise. Maybe also include a rectangular sheet of clear, flexible plastic to serve in place of the front glass. And one for the matting.
Doesnt Flickr already have this?
http://www.flickr.com/do/more/
"... Having tinkered with the Flickr API, I don't think this would be hard to engineer. And I think there is an easy revenue model (a cut of sales), a low barrier to entry for users, and a large long tail to make money off of. ..."
Why just flickr? Why not all the available images sites?
Why just flickr? Why not all the available images sites?
Starting with the big one seems prudent.
I remember reading somewhere that Facebook has more pictures than Flickr, though its mostly pictures of friends, but might be worth looking into that as well
So if you are going to make profit out of a site built on top of the Flickr API, then you'll have to use the commercial API. So the factors to consider would include the cost of the commercial API too. Besides, you'll also have to use some merchant account/Paypl to process payments which again eats off a bit of the money you get out of your commission you get out of letting people sell the pics.
This idea would automatically turn a amateur photographer's or artist's flickr account into something the person can make a profit by selling his best stuff. That would atleast fund upgrading his cameras or buy new colors. You could start by targeting amateur photographers and artists. But make sure you find an extra stream of revenue apart from sales commission.
But idea is sweet.
This idea would automatically turn a amateur photographer's or artist's flickr account into something the person can make a profit by selling his best stuff. That would atleast fund upgrading his cameras or buy new colors. You could start by targeting amateur photographers and artists. But make sure you find an extra stream of revenue apart from sales commission.
But idea is sweet.
I really like the idea, at least the stock rights part of it. The printing part feels over saturated, but the stock photography part feels like it could be done.
Email me, I'd like to talk more about this.
Email me, I'd like to talk more about this.
Good idea. I'd like to see something like this become more integral on Flickr. I've been doing some searching for ideas for album artwork, and I found something on Flickr I'd strongly consider using, but I'll still have to contact and negotiate and it would be nice to have a bit of a framework for doing so, so that the photographer isn't potentially put off or things the email isn't legit. This sounds a lot like what youlicense.com does for music, btw.
It's a great idea.
One reason why:
Blogs and news services are pulling more and more photos from Flickr. If you can give the photogs on there an easy way to just let people come and get their pictures, without having to track down permission from them, you'd make life easier for the blog editors.
One reason why:
Blogs and news services are pulling more and more photos from Flickr. If you can give the photogs on there an easy way to just let people come and get their pictures, without having to track down permission from them, you'd make life easier for the blog editors.
Blogs and news services are pulling more and more photos from Flickr.
Because they don't want to pay for them on sites like iStockphoto that already exist to give photographers a way to market/sell their products?
Because they don't want to pay for them on sites like iStockphoto that already exist to give photographers a way to market/sell their products?
Nope.
Because istockphoto doesn't have anything resembling "news" photos. Whereas Flickr's got lots of photos with real people in them.
I've used istockphoto extensively. it's all models, references, icons etc.
If I need a decent picture of the Mayor of Chicago at a recent festival, there might be 10 on Flickr.
There won't be any on istockphoto.
Because istockphoto doesn't have anything resembling "news" photos. Whereas Flickr's got lots of photos with real people in them.
I've used istockphoto extensively. it's all models, references, icons etc.
If I need a decent picture of the Mayor of Chicago at a recent festival, there might be 10 on Flickr.
There won't be any on istockphoto.
Better if default price is a quarter rather than a dollar.
A good and easy thing to A/B test.
It's a great idea, though I think ImageKind covers most of this.
You think to yourself in the third person?
I assume you meant "second" person. Surely everyone does this. "You don't really want X." "Dammit, Randall, that was a stupid idea."
You don't do this?
You don't do this?
I think to myself in the first person sometimes, in the second person at others, and even as a group occasionally.
For example my thoughts look like, "I should work from home today", or "Bill, you're a genius", or sometimes like "Why don't we just go see if there's any ice cream left..."
For example my thoughts look like, "I should work from home today", or "Bill, you're a genius", or sometimes like "Why don't we just go see if there's any ice cream left..."
I have thoughts like that all the time. My usual first one of the day is :- " You know Maggie, we really should get up now " :) xx
Yes, this is my mode as well.
I don't.
Sure. Who doesn't?
Isaac is always saying to himself, "You should really use the first person singular," but he knows how much we hate that.
Isaac is always saying to himself, "You should really use the first person singular," but he knows how much we hate that.
No, we don't.
This is a good idea. Last month I was creating a simple website and I needed a stock photo. I went to Flickr and looked for a few minutes because I knew something would be available there. Had I found one I would definitely pay for it.
I wonder if this app already exists. If it doesn't, feel free to run with it if you see the same potential I did.
The app is this - a button to turn a Flickr account into an online store, where people can order prints or pay for the rights to use photos. Everything starts off at a dollar, but it's fully customizable.
Having tinkered with the Flickr API, I don't think this would be hard to engineer. And I think there is an easy revenue model (a cut of sales), a low barrier to entry for users, and a large long tail to make money off of.
So anyways, that's it. I know ideas are worthless, but if you want this one, it's yours.
EDIT: I'm working o n a website for hikers - www.trailbehind.com. Probably less money in it, but it's something I'm passionate about.