3D Printing Survey Hints To The Third Industrial Revolution(maindevice.com)
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3D Printing Survey Hints To The Third Industrial Revolution
http://www.maindevice.com/2012/06/02/3d-printing-survey-third-industrial-revolution/
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Yep, here is a video from a NOVA special - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeJPBuBEJ50
Wow, this is truly impressive!
I think CNC milling was already the third industrial revolution. 3D printing has some interesting applications, but the generic use case of "I want to play with this widget I drew with my CAD program" has been solved for decades.
http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/guerrilla_cnc1.shtml
http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/guerrilla_cnc1.shtml
This is incorrect for a few reasons.
1. Limitations on geometry. CNC milling has a much smaller set of allowed geometry than 3D printing. More crucially, the limitations of 3D printing are closer to the limitations of what a stable physical object has (no things hanging in the air). As an example, sharp inner corner are impossible to do on a CNC mill, interior details inside cavities that are smaller than the toolhead are impossible etc.
2. Tooling cost. A lot of the cost of CNC milling comes from the tooling cost, basically the work and expertise required to set up a milling operation is considerable. Many times the setup causes the original design to change in subtle and unexpected ways (how do you hold the part between milling passes?). 3D printing has no such issues, if the geometry is valid it is as easy to print as any other valid geometry.
3. CAD software. Because of 1 and 2 it's much easier to make a CAD software that targets 3D printing exclusively. There is an emerging "hobby CAD" category aimed at all the new users having access to 3D printing. This is a meta observation that "I drew in my CAD program" is often the hardest problem to solve.
Here is a simple example. This was designed in roughly 30 minutes and printed out in various materials by clicking a UI button. I would be hard pressed to CNC mill this part even if I could change features like the eye sockets and mouth internal: https://tinkercad.com/things/3XaRYyuG2hd
Background, I've done a fair amount of CNC milling and 3D printing. I'm the co-founder of Tinkercad mentioned above. I'm very familiar with Michal's work from when I worked at Google.
1. Limitations on geometry. CNC milling has a much smaller set of allowed geometry than 3D printing. More crucially, the limitations of 3D printing are closer to the limitations of what a stable physical object has (no things hanging in the air). As an example, sharp inner corner are impossible to do on a CNC mill, interior details inside cavities that are smaller than the toolhead are impossible etc.
2. Tooling cost. A lot of the cost of CNC milling comes from the tooling cost, basically the work and expertise required to set up a milling operation is considerable. Many times the setup causes the original design to change in subtle and unexpected ways (how do you hold the part between milling passes?). 3D printing has no such issues, if the geometry is valid it is as easy to print as any other valid geometry.
3. CAD software. Because of 1 and 2 it's much easier to make a CAD software that targets 3D printing exclusively. There is an emerging "hobby CAD" category aimed at all the new users having access to 3D printing. This is a meta observation that "I drew in my CAD program" is often the hardest problem to solve.
Here is a simple example. This was designed in roughly 30 minutes and printed out in various materials by clicking a UI button. I would be hard pressed to CNC mill this part even if I could change features like the eye sockets and mouth internal: https://tinkercad.com/things/3XaRYyuG2hd
Background, I've done a fair amount of CNC milling and 3D printing. I'm the co-founder of Tinkercad mentioned above. I'm very familiar with Michal's work from when I worked at Google.
This is incorrect for a few reasons.
I don't think speculation about what will be a revolution can be correct or incorrect :)
Limitations on geometry.
Definitely true, though it seems to be good enough for machine parts, dental implants, jewelry, and so on. (That YouTube video of the CNC-milled chess pieces is pretty cool too.)
For all the geometry advantages of 3D printing, there are also disadvantages. The materials you can use are limited. Pieces coming out of the printer require finishing work, especially at the low end. Mills are more versatile and produce mostly ready-to-use pieces.
Both 3D printers and mills are inefficient for making more than one copy of a part.
2. Tooling cost.
Tinkercad links to the Makerbot Replicator, it's $1800. Roland makes hobbyist CNC mills for $900. I've used a cheap 3D printer before, and it can't produce pieces that are anywhere near the quality you advertise on your site. They look like a very drunk person vaguely sketched the outline of the piece with a hot glue gun :)
3. CAD software. ... This is a meta observation that "I drew in my CAD program" is often the hardest problem to solve.
I don't understand why your software can produce 3D printing instructions but not toolpaths for CNC mills. Once you've made a nice UI layer (which you have) it's just another algorithm on the backend.
Anyway, I don't think the 3D printing is going to be a revolution. People can draw things and make a machine make them already. The rest is just implementation details. (2D printing was a revolution. Cheap inkjets were just a nice implementation.)
I don't think speculation about what will be a revolution can be correct or incorrect :)
Limitations on geometry.
Definitely true, though it seems to be good enough for machine parts, dental implants, jewelry, and so on. (That YouTube video of the CNC-milled chess pieces is pretty cool too.)
For all the geometry advantages of 3D printing, there are also disadvantages. The materials you can use are limited. Pieces coming out of the printer require finishing work, especially at the low end. Mills are more versatile and produce mostly ready-to-use pieces.
Both 3D printers and mills are inefficient for making more than one copy of a part.
2. Tooling cost.
Tinkercad links to the Makerbot Replicator, it's $1800. Roland makes hobbyist CNC mills for $900. I've used a cheap 3D printer before, and it can't produce pieces that are anywhere near the quality you advertise on your site. They look like a very drunk person vaguely sketched the outline of the piece with a hot glue gun :)
3. CAD software. ... This is a meta observation that "I drew in my CAD program" is often the hardest problem to solve.
I don't understand why your software can produce 3D printing instructions but not toolpaths for CNC mills. Once you've made a nice UI layer (which you have) it's just another algorithm on the backend.
Anyway, I don't think the 3D printing is going to be a revolution. People can draw things and make a machine make them already. The rest is just implementation details. (2D printing was a revolution. Cheap inkjets were just a nice implementation.)
Hahaa, it did come out pretty black and white, didn't it. :-)
I was mainly referring to the observation that while digital manufacturing in general is considered the 3rd industrial revolution it's 3D printing in particular that's driving it. Also, if it didn't come across I really like CNC machining and I think it will have an important part in manufacturing for years to come.
1. Limitations on geometry
The set of shapes that can reasonably be machined certainly contains a lot of useful items. However, the limitations that the machining process places on the design are subtle to learn and sometimes limit the process fundamentally. Of the examples you mention dental implants and jewelry are actually rapidly moving to 3D printing specifically because of geometry limitations. As an example pretty much all hearing aids are nowadays 3D printed. The geometry limitations are mostly driving adoption of 3D printing in high end applications like human implants, aircrafts, complex machine parts etc.
2. Tooling cost
I think there is a slight misunderstanding. Tooling cost does not refer to the cost of the tool but to the cost of changing the configuration of that tool from manufacturing item A to manufacturing item B. For machining centers that cost is very high, think of it as the work you go through when you switch milling bits, workpiece holding, alignment etc. For 3D printers that cost is virtually zero.
As for material choices I have several copies of the croco fob in question printed in steel. They were ordered through a 3D printing service and costed about $30 per piece. Aside from the fact that the croco fob can't be milled there is nowhere I could order three of them for that price.
3. CAD software/Tinkercad
We could certainly add CNC toolpaths but there is a lot more people who want to 3D print than mill. Given how easy it's to 3D print through one of the printing services compared to the hassle of going through a machine shop I can't really blame them. The main benefits of CNC toolpath generation would be home machinists, like myself, who could then use Tinkercad. That group of people is pretty small.
People can draw things and make a machine make them already.
This is the part where we disagree. Or more properly I think your definition of people is a few magnitudes smaller than my definition of it. To use your analogy, machining is like plotting and 3D printing is like raster (matrix) printing. I think calling it an implementation detail is missing the point.
I was mainly referring to the observation that while digital manufacturing in general is considered the 3rd industrial revolution it's 3D printing in particular that's driving it. Also, if it didn't come across I really like CNC machining and I think it will have an important part in manufacturing for years to come.
1. Limitations on geometry
The set of shapes that can reasonably be machined certainly contains a lot of useful items. However, the limitations that the machining process places on the design are subtle to learn and sometimes limit the process fundamentally. Of the examples you mention dental implants and jewelry are actually rapidly moving to 3D printing specifically because of geometry limitations. As an example pretty much all hearing aids are nowadays 3D printed. The geometry limitations are mostly driving adoption of 3D printing in high end applications like human implants, aircrafts, complex machine parts etc.
2. Tooling cost
I think there is a slight misunderstanding. Tooling cost does not refer to the cost of the tool but to the cost of changing the configuration of that tool from manufacturing item A to manufacturing item B. For machining centers that cost is very high, think of it as the work you go through when you switch milling bits, workpiece holding, alignment etc. For 3D printers that cost is virtually zero.
As for material choices I have several copies of the croco fob in question printed in steel. They were ordered through a 3D printing service and costed about $30 per piece. Aside from the fact that the croco fob can't be milled there is nowhere I could order three of them for that price.
3. CAD software/Tinkercad
We could certainly add CNC toolpaths but there is a lot more people who want to 3D print than mill. Given how easy it's to 3D print through one of the printing services compared to the hassle of going through a machine shop I can't really blame them. The main benefits of CNC toolpath generation would be home machinists, like myself, who could then use Tinkercad. That group of people is pretty small.
People can draw things and make a machine make them already.
This is the part where we disagree. Or more properly I think your definition of people is a few magnitudes smaller than my definition of it. To use your analogy, machining is like plotting and 3D printing is like raster (matrix) printing. I think calling it an implementation detail is missing the point.
1. Both 3D printing and CNC are limited in my opinion, (having taught masters students on the subject) it is the job of designers to test those limits, but many things can be done in CNC machining that 3D printing is not capable of and vice versa.
Example this chair I just made (designed by Phil Seaton.) http://www.fabsie.com/blog/2012/03/04/scissor-chair-phil-sea...
2. Tooling cost of switching tools is only zero because you on about using one tool to 3D print. Could speak about various aperatures of tools of 3D printing various types of plastic to chocolate to ceramic. The main reason you change tool sizes is to increase speed, i.e. bigger router bits cut faster and you don't want to spend 3 hours to do something with a 3mm bit that can be done in 12.5 minutes with a 20mm bit. (opportunity for 3D printing to grow.
3. CAD Software is ubiquitous.
Example this chair I just made (designed by Phil Seaton.) http://www.fabsie.com/blog/2012/03/04/scissor-chair-phil-sea...
2. Tooling cost of switching tools is only zero because you on about using one tool to 3D print. Could speak about various aperatures of tools of 3D printing various types of plastic to chocolate to ceramic. The main reason you change tool sizes is to increase speed, i.e. bigger router bits cut faster and you don't want to spend 3 hours to do something with a 3mm bit that can be done in 12.5 minutes with a 20mm bit. (opportunity for 3D printing to grow.
3. CAD Software is ubiquitous.
Out of curiosity where did you get them printed in metal? I've got a few pieces I'd like to get made out of metal that could be CNC milled but would cost me significantly more than I'm willing to pay for them at the moment (last place quoted me at around $200).
I looked around on your site a bit more and it seems the main manufacturing method is to send it to some third party to magically print. That's fine; I'm sure someone messes around with a file at some point, but since it's not me, I guess I don't care.
Wow, Tinkercad feels really good as CAD in the browser!
Agreed, but I think the idea of a CNC mill or 3d printer available the masses at a low cost of entry is the revolution. Though revolution is a bit strong.
They're even thinking about 3d printing on large scales. Here's 3d printing concrete for buildings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfbhdZKPHro
And on the consumer side, you're definitely seeing more and more products based around mass customization and 3d printing. See Nervous System (n-e-r-v-o-u-s.com) and all the excitement around the Makerbot.
My girlfriend and I actually recently launched a sideproject around this, http://meshu.io, letting people enter in locations to generate custom jewelry that can then be printed into silver or plastic, using Shapeways.com as our 3d printer.
And on the consumer side, you're definitely seeing more and more products based around mass customization and 3d printing. See Nervous System (n-e-r-v-o-u-s.com) and all the excitement around the Makerbot.
My girlfriend and I actually recently launched a sideproject around this, http://meshu.io, letting people enter in locations to generate custom jewelry that can then be printed into silver or plastic, using Shapeways.com as our 3d printer.
I was reading your description and had the vision of a randomly generated 3d fractal-like sculpture based on your current location.
Then again, why base it on your location? Generate a hash from the combined names of you and your partner and create a 3d sculpture from that.
I might be just rambling here but I certainly can see how 3d printing is creating new businesses.
Then again, why base it on your location? Generate a hash from the combined names of you and your partner and create a 3d sculpture from that.
I might be just rambling here but I certainly can see how 3d printing is creating new businesses.
I think the important thing for us is that it's both personal and abstract — most things that are generated look random, or like a lot of faceted jewelry out there, but the person wearing it knows which way it faces and what each point means. It's a little different to say "this is randomly generated for you via seed X, congrats". I think it's viable, and interesting, for sure, I'm just more interested in the personal (see also an old project weeplaces.com)
Impressive,
what is the feedback so far? I don't think the shapes are very jewelry-like :)
what is the feedback so far? I don't think the shapes are very jewelry-like :)
Feedback has been awesome! Lots of people are putting in special places (where I've traveled with my wife, where I've lived in America, special places for my boyfriend and I) and are either making them as mementos or gifts.
Genuinely curious, what do you think jewelry-like shapes look like?
Genuinely curious, what do you think jewelry-like shapes look like?
:) Maybe that's just me and my european thinking that jewelry should have more "curves" and round shapes.
I'd like to know more about your project, I'll contact you via your website!
I'd like to know more about your project, I'll contact you via your website!
I think there's an interesting trend around faceted jewelry / forms in a bunch of different fields right now, which is maybe a separate discussion: http://pinterest.com/search/boards/?q=faceted
have you ever seen a building construction? it's pretty much 'manual 3d printing'
they form some crude walls with cheap wood, and pour lots and lots of concrete, and the bigger challenge for bigger building is that you have to pour one level at a time in one shot. and if you pour too much it gets too hot while it dries and the concrete gets flaky.
they form some crude walls with cheap wood, and pour lots and lots of concrete, and the bigger challenge for bigger building is that you have to pour one level at a time in one shot. and if you pour too much it gets too hot while it dries and the concrete gets flaky.
If anyone else is wondering what the second one was, "It is considered to have begun with Bessemer steel in the 1860s and culminated in mass production and the production line." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Industrial_Revolution
This article does not go deep enough. If you want to know what society might be like with this techonology:
- Read Neal Stephenson Diamond Age
- Read Peter F. Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga
- Watch Star Trek: Next Generation (replicator technology)
This isn't the "third" industrial revolution. This is a continuation of the Information Revolution. 3D printing isn't really about being able to print things from your home. It's about Software Eating Things.
- Read Neal Stephenson Diamond Age
- Read Peter F. Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga
- Watch Star Trek: Next Generation (replicator technology)
This isn't the "third" industrial revolution. This is a continuation of the Information Revolution. 3D printing isn't really about being able to print things from your home. It's about Software Eating Things.
This is out of date -- here are some of the things that have been going on in the past five years: http://www.quora.com/Maker-Revolution/The-Diamond-Age-Redux
Ha, I was halfway into that before realizing this was you hosh :) Nice collection. The Diamond Age has long been one of my favorite books (of course, it was the first one I re-read when I got an e-reader)
And one more: someone has already experimenting with printable circuitry. We are already seeing DMCA takedowns of blueprints for 3D printable things. SOPA/PIPA are merely previews of what's to come.
When reading that I felt like I was back in the early 1990s when "desktop publishing" was the big thing and people bragged about having colour or high resolution printers.
It's going to be interesting to see how this evolves, will we all have buckets of printing sand next to our computers for our 3D printers?
It's going to be interesting to see how this evolves, will we all have buckets of printing sand next to our computers for our 3D printers?
Odds are it looks like it'll be either a spool of printing cable (PLA, ABS, Nylon, etc.) that you'll print with, or it'll be like you buy motor oil (UV Reactive polymers). These are FDM (reprap and the like) and SLA [1] techniques for 3D printing. So far the SLS (using a powder or sand) seems to be stuck in the very high commercial range though it can be the most useful, it requires far less fiddling with to get things to print out regardless of their shape like a reprap does, and can get very good material reuse like SLA does since unused material is just kept in the same state. It can also do one of the more fun things, combine SLS and an inkjet printer and you can color the object you're printing just like a normal printer [2].
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP25fKsN0Io
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP25fKsN0Io
I can't wait until 3D printers can print 3D printers.
They are working on it :)
http://reprap.org/wiki/RepRap
http://reprap.org/wiki/RepRap
You can print molds for some parts, though.
a #D printer printing a 3D printer will be 4th industrial revolution, i tell you.
"As of 2012 3D printing technology was being studied by biotechnology firms and academia for possible use in tissue engineering applications where organs and body parts are built using inkjet techniques. Layers of living cells are deposited onto a gel medium and slowly built up to form three dimensional structures. Several terms have been used to refer to this field of research: organ printing, bio-printing, and computer-aided tissue engineering, among others.[21] 3D printing can produce a personalized hip replacement in one pass, with the ball permanently inside the socket; at available printing resolutions the unit does not require polishing."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printing