Ask HN: Thinking of quitting job with no plans for the future: bad idea?
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What you're describing doesn't sound like a problem with your job per se, it sounds like depression. You might consider consulting a professional before making any life-altering decisions. Good luck to you, whatever you decide.
Thanks, I actually already suspected that and will look to set something up with a therapist soon. I'm pretty sure that I still want a fresh start of sorts but it can't hurt to get an objective perspective on my life from a professional.
But my particular career path isn't really going anywhere anymore...
A good therapist would probably talk you through all of this, but look at your own self-talk first...
Your core belief is that you don't think your career path is going anywhere. If that is a rational conclusion you've reached then of course you'll have little motivation! In fact that's pretty damn normal, who else do you know will continue to enjoy a task they genuinely believe to be worthless / dead-end?
My big worry is that I don't figure anything out...
You will figure things out. Take it a single day at a time. You can only move the mountain one stone at a time. In fact I would say take a good 2 weeks off to just say "I don't care" to the current job and go do some _relaxing_ travel. See what 2 weeks gives you, 1 week isn't enough to totally disconnect. When work sucks, start squeezing the joy out of other areas of life.
Depending on your situation, you may just be in for some life changes. I had a period of time about a year ago similar to what you described and I'm about your age... It was a large mix of things, but my own bullets may stimulate your thinking...
- I gave up the whole mega-startup goal, I like doing smaller projects now with no care about huge exits
- I reconnected with friends and now focus more on relationships
- Stopped going on the computer once I got home from work and just doing more work. Going on the comp at home is now when I have nothing better to do, which is plenty.
- Temporarily changed lifting routine to light cardio for stress relief
- Got outside more.
- Rode the motorcycle more.
- Found a new hobby -> started learning piano. Tech used to be my hobby before it became my job. To me, a hobby is something you do for pure fun with no expectations.
- Developed a new spiritual attitude about certain life situations.
- Learned about life balance -- straight out of college up til that point I was a workaholic.
The key though to know is you will figure it out. Everyone else in this world either has been or is in the same boat as you man, so you'll be OK. You'll come out of this 6 months later with a much better and whole new perspective on life. By the way, there's nothing wrong with choosing to quit or change directions, just make sure you make it a consciously-thought-out decision so you can rest solidly on that choice years later in the future.
A good therapist would probably talk you through all of this, but look at your own self-talk first...
Your core belief is that you don't think your career path is going anywhere. If that is a rational conclusion you've reached then of course you'll have little motivation! In fact that's pretty damn normal, who else do you know will continue to enjoy a task they genuinely believe to be worthless / dead-end?
My big worry is that I don't figure anything out...
You will figure things out. Take it a single day at a time. You can only move the mountain one stone at a time. In fact I would say take a good 2 weeks off to just say "I don't care" to the current job and go do some _relaxing_ travel. See what 2 weeks gives you, 1 week isn't enough to totally disconnect. When work sucks, start squeezing the joy out of other areas of life.
Depending on your situation, you may just be in for some life changes. I had a period of time about a year ago similar to what you described and I'm about your age... It was a large mix of things, but my own bullets may stimulate your thinking...
- I gave up the whole mega-startup goal, I like doing smaller projects now with no care about huge exits
- I reconnected with friends and now focus more on relationships
- Stopped going on the computer once I got home from work and just doing more work. Going on the comp at home is now when I have nothing better to do, which is plenty.
- Temporarily changed lifting routine to light cardio for stress relief
- Got outside more.
- Rode the motorcycle more.
- Found a new hobby -> started learning piano. Tech used to be my hobby before it became my job. To me, a hobby is something you do for pure fun with no expectations.
- Developed a new spiritual attitude about certain life situations.
- Learned about life balance -- straight out of college up til that point I was a workaholic.
The key though to know is you will figure it out. Everyone else in this world either has been or is in the same boat as you man, so you'll be OK. You'll come out of this 6 months later with a much better and whole new perspective on life. By the way, there's nothing wrong with choosing to quit or change directions, just make sure you make it a consciously-thought-out decision so you can rest solidly on that choice years later in the future.
Have a plan:
1. What do you want to work on next? Take your time, and write it down if necessary. List out all the cool tech you want to get your hands dirty with.
2. Have a deadline. Put down your best estimate of the date you going to walk out the company for good. Think of the time you need to update yourself with new tech, learn new stuff, get to know the right people, and start looking for opportunity.
3. Now is the right time to go out and meet people -- attend conferences, give out your email, linkedin account whatever.
4. Ask yourself where you want to work, or which company you want to go -- if not freelancing or starting your own.
Once you know what you want, when you want to go, and who can help you -- you are ready.
You can certainly drop off and go do some soul searching or travel -- it's really up to you, but I am just saying, you might want to start to work out a plan first.
Take it easy man.
:-)
1. What do you want to work on next? Take your time, and write it down if necessary. List out all the cool tech you want to get your hands dirty with.
2. Have a deadline. Put down your best estimate of the date you going to walk out the company for good. Think of the time you need to update yourself with new tech, learn new stuff, get to know the right people, and start looking for opportunity.
3. Now is the right time to go out and meet people -- attend conferences, give out your email, linkedin account whatever.
4. Ask yourself where you want to work, or which company you want to go -- if not freelancing or starting your own.
Once you know what you want, when you want to go, and who can help you -- you are ready.
You can certainly drop off and go do some soul searching or travel -- it's really up to you, but I am just saying, you might want to start to work out a plan first.
Take it easy man.
:-)
not sure if i am re-iterating the obvious, but if I were you I won't quit (at least in this emotional state). My recipe would be:
1. Sit down with a beer, pen and paper 2. Figure out what is the exciting tech that I want to work on 3. Do I have skills for bullet 2 4. If no can I learn it with my day job (something as trivial as writing 'hello world' in a new language) 5. Communicate (talk to a lot of experts in the target technology/industry/area of interest) 6. Generally the above steps should be sufficient to convince me what I want to do. Here one can probably take a break or ask the contacts from bullet 5 to help make a transition.
Obviously, like all plans this might not work ;), but I would start gaining better control of my life/career/aspirations.
Hope this helps... Cheers!
1. Sit down with a beer, pen and paper 2. Figure out what is the exciting tech that I want to work on 3. Do I have skills for bullet 2 4. If no can I learn it with my day job (something as trivial as writing 'hello world' in a new language) 5. Communicate (talk to a lot of experts in the target technology/industry/area of interest) 6. Generally the above steps should be sufficient to convince me what I want to do. Here one can probably take a break or ask the contacts from bullet 5 to help make a transition.
Obviously, like all plans this might not work ;), but I would start gaining better control of my life/career/aspirations.
Hope this helps... Cheers!
I would agree with a lot of HN posts here, but I have a few additions.
You say your job is in such a niche market - is there something missing from this market? Maybe use your specialty knowledge in your favor by coming up with a good startup idea.
A lot of people don't like him, but maybe read a little bit of James Altucher - he has large sections about happiness and quiting if you are not happy. Now, this job might not be the cause of your sadness/depression/burnout, but I doubt it is helping.
If you want to email me to bounce some ideas off - feel free. Whatever you decide to do, best of luck. I hope you find what you're looking for.
You say your job is in such a niche market - is there something missing from this market? Maybe use your specialty knowledge in your favor by coming up with a good startup idea.
A lot of people don't like him, but maybe read a little bit of James Altucher - he has large sections about happiness and quiting if you are not happy. Now, this job might not be the cause of your sadness/depression/burnout, but I doubt it is helping.
If you want to email me to bounce some ideas off - feel free. Whatever you decide to do, best of luck. I hope you find what you're looking for.
I just turned in my notice at work because I want to get out and do something on my own. While I don't have a drawn out plan, I do have a goal. I want to get into Techstars Boulder. I plan on moving to boulder and trying to get involved in the tech scene there. I think if you are going to follow through with your plan at least do yourself the favor of getting involved in a tech scene somewhere.
Actually, it's good that you've sounded these things out: now you have a list of things you need to take care of before you head out.
Simple.
Simple.
My goal is to join a startup, and go back to just plain building cool stuff. I am (or at least used to be) very ambitious, and I want to work with smart, ambitious people who want to build the next big thing. I'm just not sure if I'm qualified to be in that company right now - my skillset is so particular to the role I'm currently in I don't think I'd get very far (confirmed by some interviews I've had this year). I'd love to pick up web development again and work on projects in my free time, but it would take so much time away from the few hobbies I have that I'm pretty sure it would just make me feel worse.
So I'm thinking that maybe I should just quit, and do nothing for a while, try that whole "finding yourself" thing I never did. Maybe travel a bit, try and get some enthusiasm for life back. Everyone says not to do this without having your next job lined up, but does that apply if you're not looking for a traditional office job, if you seriously just need a break with no commitments? My big worry is that I don't figure anything out and find that a year later I'm having a very hard time finding a job again, and/or the economy is much worse.
Some important points: I have no wife/kids to support, not in a relationship, I rent, and I can afford to be unemployed for at least a year (at an acceptable level of comfort). If I leave my industry, I wouldn't bet on making it back in, certainly not at my current level because experience in my niche doesn't tend to be very transferable. I also have very few connections in the industry (sounds weird after all these years, but it's true). I've thought about grad school too, but I couldn't get more than one quality letter of recommendation at this point, so I wouldn't bet on getting into a top school.
So I'm at a loss as to how to assess this situation and figure out what's smart and what isn't. HNers seem to come from all walks of life and have collectively seen and done it all, so hopefully someone's been in this situation and has some wisdom to impart.