S.F. Mayor Breed declares state of emergency in the Tenderloin(sfchronicle.com)
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S.F. Mayor Breed declares state of emergency in the Tenderloin
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/S-F-Mayor-London-Breed-declares-state-of-16710580.php
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The primary goal is harm reduction: fewer deadly overdoses, less disease (HIV) transmission due to needle sharing and less needles discarded on the street.
The site where I live can also provide some help for people who want to get off drugs and off the street, but the addict must want to do that.
I can’t speak to how effective that help actually is, but the harm reduction part certainly works.
The site where I live can also provide some help for people who want to get off drugs and off the street, but the addict must want to do that.
I can’t speak to how effective that help actually is, but the harm reduction part certainly works.
Are there any estimates of the degree to which policies like these increase the rate of drug use as opposed to just reducing the danger for existing users?
Are people surprised that subsidizing drug use seems to attract more drug use?
Are people surprised that subsidizing drug use seems to attract more drug use?
>The first several years of evaluation have yielded an array of scientific outputs, including more than 30 peer-reviewed studies describing the program’s impacts. These publications indicate that Insite provides a range of benefits to its clients and the greater community, including a reduction in public injecting, lower levels of HIV risk behaviours (e.g., syringe sharing), and an increase in uptake of addiction treatment among the facility’s clients. Furthermore, studies seeking to identify potential harms of the facility found no evidence of negative impacts. Studies were independently peer-reviewed and published in top scientific periodicals, including the New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet and the British Medical Journal.
Emphasis mine.
From https://www.bccsu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/insite_repor...
Emphasis mine.
From https://www.bccsu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/insite_repor...
>the harm reduction part certainly works.
Certainly? Goals and outcomes are different though. Is there any evidence that SF's policies are having positive outcomes? It seems like all the statistics show it the opposite. Overdoses are up, crime is up--so who is this really helping? The skeptic in me thinks it's a nice way for the government to just give up on people even more but under a kinder veil of "harm reduction". SF is closer to Ancapistan than it is any progressive utopia.
Certainly? Goals and outcomes are different though. Is there any evidence that SF's policies are having positive outcomes? It seems like all the statistics show it the opposite. Overdoses are up, crime is up--so who is this really helping? The skeptic in me thinks it's a nice way for the government to just give up on people even more but under a kinder veil of "harm reduction". SF is closer to Ancapistan than it is any progressive utopia.
Certainly. But I wasn't speaking about SF, I was speaking about Vancouver.
>The first several years of evaluation have yielded an array of scientific outputs, including more than 30 peer-reviewed studies describing the program’s impacts. These publications indicate that Insite provides a range of benefits to its clients and the greater community, including a reduction in public injecting, lower levels of HIV risk behaviours (e.g., syringe sharing), and an increase in uptake of addiction treatment among the facility’s clients. Furthermore, studies seeking to identify potential harms of the facility found no evidence of negative impacts. Studies were independently peer-reviewed and published in top scientific periodicals, including the New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet and the British Medical Journal.
From https://www.bccsu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/insite_repor...
>The first several years of evaluation have yielded an array of scientific outputs, including more than 30 peer-reviewed studies describing the program’s impacts. These publications indicate that Insite provides a range of benefits to its clients and the greater community, including a reduction in public injecting, lower levels of HIV risk behaviours (e.g., syringe sharing), and an increase in uptake of addiction treatment among the facility’s clients. Furthermore, studies seeking to identify potential harms of the facility found no evidence of negative impacts. Studies were independently peer-reviewed and published in top scientific periodicals, including the New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet and the British Medical Journal.
From https://www.bccsu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/insite_repor...
How could SF give up on people any more than it already has?
It had to get really bad first to manufacture popular consent for all the fun new surveillance we’re about to be subjected to :/
Nah, the existing ordinance already allows the surveillance she referred to and this is just theatre
Regan passed a bunch of bills as Governor that basically disbanded mental health care for the homeless.
Since it’s illegal to stick them in a drug rehab clinic, mandatory counseling sessions, or even force them back on their meds (with their prior written consent), all that’s left is putting them out of the public eye while they get high, I guess.
Or, maybe we could just switch the law back to what it was in 70’s.
Since it’s illegal to stick them in a drug rehab clinic, mandatory counseling sessions, or even force them back on their meds (with their prior written consent), all that’s left is putting them out of the public eye while they get high, I guess.
Or, maybe we could just switch the law back to what it was in 70’s.
> Regan
Reagan
> passed a bunch of bills as Governor
Governors don't unilaterally “pass bills”. They sign (or veto) bills passed by the legislator.
> that basically disbanded mental health care for the homeless.
Deinstitutionalization was a bipartisan, national phenomenon driven in large parts by abuse scandals in institutions.
Reagan
> passed a bunch of bills as Governor
Governors don't unilaterally “pass bills”. They sign (or veto) bills passed by the legislator.
> that basically disbanded mental health care for the homeless.
Deinstitutionalization was a bipartisan, national phenomenon driven in large parts by abuse scandals in institutions.
>Reagan
This matters because Donald Regan was a guy who worked for Ronald Reagan.
>Deinstitutionalization was a bipartisan, national phenomenon driven in large parts by abuse scandals in institutions.
Not just scandals in the sense of individual acts, but changes in thinking about patient rights. For example, eugenic sterilization started as policy more than rogue abuse, and was still going on as late as the 1970s. I think the laws about institutionalizing people against their will were changed.
No doubt saving money was a factor, but lots of factors coincided, largely because people wanted to reform the system as society had changed.
This matters because Donald Regan was a guy who worked for Ronald Reagan.
>Deinstitutionalization was a bipartisan, national phenomenon driven in large parts by abuse scandals in institutions.
Not just scandals in the sense of individual acts, but changes in thinking about patient rights. For example, eugenic sterilization started as policy more than rogue abuse, and was still going on as late as the 1970s. I think the laws about institutionalizing people against their will were changed.
No doubt saving money was a factor, but lots of factors coincided, largely because people wanted to reform the system as society had changed.
> Not just scandals in the sense of individual acts, but changes in thinking about patient rights.
The two are linked, there was an absolute wave of scandals in the sense of abusive (often systematic rather than individual) acts in particular institutions that were instrumental in getting people to rethink patient rights; without them, the institutionalized would probably have remained out of sight and out of mind.
The two are linked, there was an absolute wave of scandals in the sense of abusive (often systematic rather than individual) acts in particular institutions that were instrumental in getting people to rethink patient rights; without them, the institutionalized would probably have remained out of sight and out of mind.
> legislator
legislature
legislature
Were these law irrevocable? If not, every governor and state legislature since then are also complicit.
The laws were not. The judicial decisions that made it far more difficult to hold people against their will - which ultimately drove a lot of deinstitutionalization; the asylums were closed mostly as a response, not a cause - are effectively irrevocable.
It's great London Breed is acknowledging SF's policy flaws... but I hope SF gets a new-mayor that is genuine about fixing the city rather than keep the Mayor who has for years exacerbated these problems and only decided to do something now because it was politically expedient.
News on the subject is far different from reality. I am very familiar with the area of the Tenderloin bounded by GG Ave, Leavenworth, Eddy, and Larkin. I spent some time nearly every day there, some during the day, some at past midnight, some early in the morning.
The truth is that:
- They were/are running the gentrification project quite well during the daytime. The area around La Cocina gets cleaned up and shifts everyone away. Sometimes you have police
- Starting a couple of months ago, the police have moved the night folks to the area between Market and McAllister near where they meet. The night folks have started recongregating but there are police vehicles past midnight which are stationed with flashing lights
The Tenderloin has been under extra-supervision for a couple of months now. I'm not sure what triggered it. Perhaps the LV hits, but I think it was before that. Hard to tell, but it's not the TL you remember from 6 months ago or from a year ago.
This is the truth as it is on the street. But you don't have to believe me. Take your car right now and drive every street I mentioned. See for yourself.
The truth is that:
- They were/are running the gentrification project quite well during the daytime. The area around La Cocina gets cleaned up and shifts everyone away. Sometimes you have police
- Starting a couple of months ago, the police have moved the night folks to the area between Market and McAllister near where they meet. The night folks have started recongregating but there are police vehicles past midnight which are stationed with flashing lights
The Tenderloin has been under extra-supervision for a couple of months now. I'm not sure what triggered it. Perhaps the LV hits, but I think it was before that. Hard to tell, but it's not the TL you remember from 6 months ago or from a year ago.
This is the truth as it is on the street. But you don't have to believe me. Take your car right now and drive every street I mentioned. See for yourself.
It appears the management has given up on the Tenderloin Gentrification Project. Or maybe the SoE could be used to rezone the SROs into condos?
> is concerned that the emergency declaration is being used to support her plan for more policing in the neighborhood, which could criminalize people with substance use disorders before resources such as the supervised drug-use site or a planned drug sobering center open.
Honest question. Is a supervised drug-use site an effective approach for reducing drug use long term? Does it help get people into services that help them deal with addiction? Or is it just meant to supervise potential overdoes and intervene?