Plant-based meat company vandalizes the bacon Wikipedia article(boingboing.net)
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Plant-based meat company vandalizes the bacon Wikipedia article
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That is a pretty stupid thing to do IMO. Publicity über alles? No thanks.
Disclaimer: Vegan since for ecological/health reasons after watching Game Changers
Disclaimer: Vegan since for ecological/health reasons after watching Game Changers
I would like to say thank you for making a change when faced with new facts/science.
I have nothing against vegans, but the "Game Changers" movie is biased propaganda promoting a particular narrative. It is not a valid source of scientific facts. They cherry picked a few anecdotes, and even some of the movie subjects consume certain animal products such as eggs.
if you didn't say this i was going to.
I've been in the camp of eating less meat for a while for general health, and i have a lot of concerns about factory farming.
But Game Changers straight up lies all over the place. It's a horrible documentary.
I've been in the camp of eating less meat for a while for general health, and i have a lot of concerns about factory farming.
But Game Changers straight up lies all over the place. It's a horrible documentary.
Cherry picked facts like 80% of the area used for agriculture is used for breeding and feeding animals? That 39% of people eating meating still have a vitamin B12 deficiency? That animals get fed B12 to have any since the soil bacteria producing it have been destroyed by conventional agricultural practices?
People will see what they want to. The fact that they can't identify this is what is leading to their bias.
People just need to be honest with themselves and say they like eating meat and don't want to change.
People just need to be honest with themselves and say they like eating meat and don't want to change.
A few anecdotes of the sort of:
- The eldest olympian athlete at 39,5 winning a medal for the US being vegan?
- The world record setting strong man Patrik Baboumian being vegan?
- The football team from Tennessee (IIRC) reaching the playoffs for the first time in 14 years (IIRC) after round 10 of their defensive players went vegan?
It was pretty convincing to me because it was not presented with a "These poor animals" moralistic tone. But by a guy, whose job is to train soldiers in deadly hand-to-hand combat. He injured both his knees and stumbled over a study that concluded that a vegan diet might speed up his recovery. He actually tried it, and the results are pretty impressive IMHO.
- The eldest olympian athlete at 39,5 winning a medal for the US being vegan?
- The world record setting strong man Patrik Baboumian being vegan?
- The football team from Tennessee (IIRC) reaching the playoffs for the first time in 14 years (IIRC) after round 10 of their defensive players went vegan?
It was pretty convincing to me because it was not presented with a "These poor animals" moralistic tone. But by a guy, whose job is to train soldiers in deadly hand-to-hand combat. He injured both his knees and stumbled over a study that concluded that a vegan diet might speed up his recovery. He actually tried it, and the results are pretty impressive IMHO.
Elite athletes are a diverse bunch. You can find a few of them who follow all sorts of trendy diets, including carnivore, at least for a while. But if we look empirically at what works best in competition the vast majority of winning athletes across all sports are omnivores.
https://www.8020endurance.com/the-80-20-nutrition-guide/
There are also several anecdotal reports out there of athletes who tried vegan diets and found they got injured more frequently, or recovered more slowly. Does that mean anything? Who knows. There are so many confounding factors that it's impossible to research this issue in a truly rigorous way.
There are a few such anecdotes listed here. I'm not endorsing this blog or any particular diet, just pointing out that we lack clear evidence based guidelines.
https://www.lonesomelands.com/new-blog/2019/9/16/t2amoscp1u1...
https://www.8020endurance.com/the-80-20-nutrition-guide/
There are also several anecdotal reports out there of athletes who tried vegan diets and found they got injured more frequently, or recovered more slowly. Does that mean anything? Who knows. There are so many confounding factors that it's impossible to research this issue in a truly rigorous way.
There are a few such anecdotes listed here. I'm not endorsing this blog or any particular diet, just pointing out that we lack clear evidence based guidelines.
https://www.lonesomelands.com/new-blog/2019/9/16/t2amoscp1u1...
Dont forget, they all started as non-vegans, so all their base strength came from a on vegan diet.
...show me statistics, if this is true we can immediately force people stop eat meat in hospital
Here's a good resource: https://www.vegansociety.com/news/media/statistics
You are welcome, did it for purely selfish reasons though ;) I want to be healthy and ate the cheapest organic meat i could find since i thought: I need B12. Now i just take supps for it.
As a side note, I found Game Changers dishonest about being able to be in an extremely competitive athletic field and eat a vegan diet.
For instance, if you look at the diet of the strong man they featured, you'll see he supplements his diet with protein shakes in 4 out of 6 meals between 50-80 grams of protein which isn't mentioned in the documentary. I'm sure a lot of aspects of his lifestyle are unhealthy since he's in an extreme field, but you can't claim vegan diet gives you enough protein for a competitive athlete when you supplement almost every meal with a shake. And I can't imagine that's somehow better for you than eating natural protein. Compare that to what strong man Thor Bjornsson eats, you'll see its a lot fewer protein supplements and more natural food
https://barbend.com/vegan-strongman-patrik-baboumian-diet/
https://barbend.com/hafthor-bjornsson-diet-video/
For instance, if you look at the diet of the strong man they featured, you'll see he supplements his diet with protein shakes in 4 out of 6 meals between 50-80 grams of protein which isn't mentioned in the documentary. I'm sure a lot of aspects of his lifestyle are unhealthy since he's in an extreme field, but you can't claim vegan diet gives you enough protein for a competitive athlete when you supplement almost every meal with a shake. And I can't imagine that's somehow better for you than eating natural protein. Compare that to what strong man Thor Bjornsson eats, you'll see its a lot fewer protein supplements and more natural food
https://barbend.com/vegan-strongman-patrik-baboumian-diet/
https://barbend.com/hafthor-bjornsson-diet-video/
Game changers was definitely guilty of a significant amount of editorializing/having and agenda, but I think it’s a bit unfair to claim that protein supplementation in strength sports is a sign of deficiency. Such supplementation is extremely common in strength sports, regardless of whether or not each individual utilizes supplements to that degree. It’s a fallacy to just follow the equation “natural = better” when we know that many of those competitors are likely using anabolic steroids. There’s really very little that is natural or “normal” about competing as a strong man.
The parent comment made a very clear point about a sportsman not following a vegan diet needing much less supplements, and relying on natural protein in their diet. Steroid use seem pretty much unrelated.
My point was that there are plenty of non vegans that utilize significant amounts supplementary protein, the use of which is not a sign of an inferior dietary pattern, and there’s no evidence that protein supplements are inferior to natural sources for sports performance. Further, the best athletes rely on unnatural supplements, ie steroids. The whole discussion around natural vs unnatural is no more than an alluring narrative, not a factual point.
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Biologically, human body is not designed to digest meat effectively. The cons of eating meat for major protein source outweighs its risks.
I am angrier about the fact that they trademarked "This".
Why is that specifically, may I ask? It seems like a defendable trademark (IANAL)
Nice submarine article, boingboing
Disclaimer: I'm vegan.
I think this is awesome. "Vandalize" is a bit much as they just substitute sliced pig flesh photos with a plant-based lookalike.
I think this is awesome. "Vandalize" is a bit much as they just substitute sliced pig flesh photos with a plant-based lookalike.
>Disclaimer: I'm vegan.
Why'd you feel the need to disclaim that?
>I think this is awesome. "Vandalize" is a bit much as they just substitute sliced pig flesh photos with a plant-based lookalike.
It's exactly what vandalism is. They defaced some else's property; for advertising no less.
Why'd you feel the need to disclaim that?
>I think this is awesome. "Vandalize" is a bit much as they just substitute sliced pig flesh photos with a plant-based lookalike.
It's exactly what vandalism is. They defaced some else's property; for advertising no less.
Part of being vegan seems to be a compulsive need to tell everyone that you are vegan.
And vice versa, apparently.
> Why'd you feel the need to disclaim that?
Dunno. Was just blending in[0].
> It's exactly what vandalism is. They defaced some else's property; for advertising no less.
Fair enough, yet if we could only motivate that same disapproval when someone has their own body vandalized, as in having it sliced into pieces and photographed, then our ethical compass would be more in balance.
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28538659
Dunno. Was just blending in[0].
> It's exactly what vandalism is. They defaced some else's property; for advertising no less.
Fair enough, yet if we could only motivate that same disapproval when someone has their own body vandalized, as in having it sliced into pieces and photographed, then our ethical compass would be more in balance.
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28538659
It's so simple. Do not change the community encyclopedia for advertising purposes
But this?
> The company took to social media to show off its edits
Doing it for clout.