Exposed: Facebook’s Secret iPhone Photo Sharing App (Which Looks Amazing)(techcrunch.com)
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Exposed: Facebook’s Secret iPhone Photo Sharing App (Which Looks Amazing)
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I now see how it all fits together. Through inside information, Color found out about Facebooks new photo sharing app, which will render them obsolete. The board decided to transform Color into a patent troll, to leverage at least something. Peter Pham disagreed with this direction, and left Color.
Curious: Was this a planned leak? If not, then how difficult is it for Facebook to identify exactly whose albums are these?
Also as a side note, for a company like Facebook with apparently not outsiders (like suppliers etc) who have info on the plans of the company, how do these leaks happen? Employees?
Also as a side note, for a company like Facebook with apparently not outsiders (like suppliers etc) who have info on the plans of the company, how do these leaks happen? Employees?
I think these are mock-ups, so no albums are visible that can be tied to a specific person.
A guy who works for Facebook is tagged in the center photo.
http://www.facebook.com/beau
hah. I went to school with Beau, he was a complete douchebag.
Much more than usual for a french immersion student.
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i'm surprised it's taken facebook this long to create something photo specific. photos are one of the top (if not THE top) reason why people use facebook.
This has an uncanny similarity to Color, even that custom tab bar has the same exact icon placement. To me this looks more like a new version of Color with tight facebook integration... or perhaps FB got Color to to the dev for this while they are floundering right now.
I also find it odd that FB would spin out a separate app when all along they've been going for a unified experience in the iPhone app.
I also find it odd that FB would spin out a separate app when all along they've been going for a unified experience in the iPhone app.
The death of Color, Path and Instagram?
Be a tough challenge. Although Instagram has done well to build up a community (5 million users now: http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/13/instagram-five-million-user...) . Facebook places didn't kill Foursquare, Gowalla etc, this may not necessarily kill established players like Instagram but it will make it harder for new entrants and those struggling to get established like Color.
I see what you did there.
Absolutely.
Facebook's behemoth social graph will easily steamroll over any new effort in this space. Color/Path/Instagram will need some insane differentiation in order to win this battle.
Facebook's behemoth social graph will easily steamroll over any new effort in this space. Color/Path/Instagram will need some insane differentiation in order to win this battle.
The same way Places has steamrolled over Foursquare, Gowalla?
though deep down i agree that this probably means big trouble for a lot of other companies in the photo sharing space, there are some innate differences that could keep other companies afloat (even COLOR!)
one of the big differences i can think of off the top of my head at 3am is that FB still isn't really about discovering new friends. You meet people in real life, then you friend them on Facebook. Not vice versa.
As far as I can tell, something that Color is expanding into is creating this "temporary" social network where you share photos with anybody within a certain location. It isn't as much about sharing photos with friends that you already have, as it is about discovering new people and the photos they're taking around you.
Based on widespread privacy concerns that Facebook has had to deal with, I'd say it's unlikely that this app involves social discovery. It's probably another friend, photo-sharing app, with the permissions of sharing mirroring what happens on the Facebook webapp.
one of the big differences i can think of off the top of my head at 3am is that FB still isn't really about discovering new friends. You meet people in real life, then you friend them on Facebook. Not vice versa.
As far as I can tell, something that Color is expanding into is creating this "temporary" social network where you share photos with anybody within a certain location. It isn't as much about sharing photos with friends that you already have, as it is about discovering new people and the photos they're taking around you.
Based on widespread privacy concerns that Facebook has had to deal with, I'd say it's unlikely that this app involves social discovery. It's probably another friend, photo-sharing app, with the permissions of sharing mirroring what happens on the Facebook webapp.
Well the differentiation will come from having better control over who sees what.
Facebook is a collection of all your friends/family/people you kinda know and so fouth. We still need services that are specialized and cater to certain groups within your social circle and I can totally see Color/Path/Instagram/Whatever take and prosper from holding that position.
But then again Im not really a fan of Facebook and perhaps Im missing some core functionality that actually already exists within Facebook.
Facebook is a collection of all your friends/family/people you kinda know and so fouth. We still need services that are specialized and cater to certain groups within your social circle and I can totally see Color/Path/Instagram/Whatever take and prosper from holding that position.
But then again Im not really a fan of Facebook and perhaps Im missing some core functionality that actually already exists within Facebook.
What advantage would Facebook have apart from being able to cut off API access to competitors?
You can't tag people on Facebook in a photo uploaded from Instagram, or at least I never found a way. Facebook's own photo app will be a first-class citizen in that regard.
The API is there, see "tags" http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/api/photo/
I think the main advantage is that people already see photos as one of Facebook's killer features. It's different than when they launched Places and Offers; photos is the reason a lot of people register for Facebook in the first place.
Assuming Color et al. have no incredible innovation up their sleeves, any data set they would be gathering is most likely a subset of what Facebook already has on their graph.
In that case, Facebook is very well positioned to execute faster and better in that space.
In that case, Facebook is very well positioned to execute faster and better in that space.
Everyone knows it exists.
Wouldn't be surprised that in case of Color the "insane differentiation" would be the patent portfolio they allegedly have.
Good, if apps like these get popular then I don't want all my friends using different ones. Facebook will tie them all together which is good for me.
Please don't add filters..
But they could add 4 free filters and then charge you tier one pricing to unlock more via IAP and then get sued by Lodsys. I don't see how this could fail :)
what exactly looks amazing about this?
I hope they don't spin this into a separate app. I suppose it was developed by another team (Beluga guys?) but I'd take the time to merge the code base with Facebook iOS proper.
I'm not surprised at all. Here's my comment on a previous HN thread a few months ago related to Color: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2367621
If you're building any kind of social app you'd be a fool not to think about the possibilities of the big players integrating your features into their platform, and what your long-term gameplan is going to be.
If you're building any kind of social app you'd be a fool not to think about the possibilities of the big players integrating your features into their platform, and what your long-term gameplan is going to be.
FB could be sitting on a goldmine with all these photos. Could be.
As computers get faster and software more sophisticated, we might see things like automatic manipulation of photos to change the branding on peoples clothing (in a fun, opt-out sort of way preferebly). Or detecting the brands that people wear then selling aggregation of that data to market researchers (bit easier and more likely).
As computers get faster and software more sophisticated, we might see things like automatic manipulation of photos to change the branding on peoples clothing (in a fun, opt-out sort of way preferebly). Or detecting the brands that people wear then selling aggregation of that data to market researchers (bit easier and more likely).
There may be some similarities to Color and Instagram, but perhaps the most uncanny is to Cooliris LiveShare: http://www.cooliris.com/liveshare
just another photo app for iphone, but much needed for FB as it depends on photos.
To me, there's a bigger story here: techcrunch has something good to say about Facebook.
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html5 ftw, sorry had to mention it :-)
Is it just me or do photos not look awful on facebook? They're compressed to death.
They recently added the high quality upload option, I'm guessing most people just want the faster upload and use the compressed versions.
But unless they have some clever client-side compression, upload wont be faster..
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they do. Haven't used it in a while, but IIRC it's a java applet and is one of the clunkiest parts of the site for that reason.
I've used the 'high quality' upload option but the compression is still awful compared to say Flickr which also outputs images at different sizes.
I'll need to look into that - haven't seen this option surfaced anywhere in the mobile or desktop sites.
Edit: I can see it in desktop upload - I must not have used that for a while. I uploaded a big image as 'high resolution' (actually, you can't select high resolution because the photo is already being uploaded by the time this radio button becomes available for clicking) and facebook shrunk it down to a paltry 720x480. The UI blows it up to larger than this, so it looks more blurry.
The basic uploader has no 'high resolution' option, but didnt shrink the uploaded photo down as much.
Edit: I can see it in desktop upload - I must not have used that for a while. I uploaded a big image as 'high resolution' (actually, you can't select high resolution because the photo is already being uploaded by the time this radio button becomes available for clicking) and facebook shrunk it down to a paltry 720x480. The UI blows it up to larger than this, so it looks more blurry.
The basic uploader has no 'high resolution' option, but didnt shrink the uploaded photo down as much.
And I don't see it in the API documentation: http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/api/photo/
I checked a 640x434 photo that I'd uploaded via API. As you said, they did recompress it, with a noticeable difference in quality. I had already set a reasonable web compression level. Their recompression reduced it only from 88KB to 84KB.
I checked a 640x434 photo that I'd uploaded via API. As you said, they did recompress it, with a noticeable difference in quality. I had already set a reasonable web compression level. Their recompression reduced it only from 88KB to 84KB.
These days the word "amazing" is used way to easily.