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For the ones that don't know, Jakarta is essentially sinking, and experiencing severe issues from water "events". The issue is so dramatic that the government is seriously contemplating building a new "Capital", and... relocate, yes, relocate, most of Jakarta's population there.
Also for those who don’t know, the primary cause of this is overuse of ground water. Which is the same reason massive areas in California are sinking (though not directly into the sea). Jakarta has terrible water infrastructure, and a lot of its supply comes from haphazard and unregulated use of groundwater.
The discussion of relocating the capital however is limited to the actual government institutions. It’s also important to realize that there is no such city as Jakarta, the land subsidence issue is mostly limited to North Jakarta (which is actually the name of a city). So none of the discussions about ‘moving Jakarta’ are actually referring to the enormous metropolitan area around Jakarta, but specifically about the city of North Jakarta.
The discussion of relocating the capital however is limited to the actual government institutions. It’s also important to realize that there is no such city as Jakarta, the land subsidence issue is mostly limited to North Jakarta (which is actually the name of a city). So none of the discussions about ‘moving Jakarta’ are actually referring to the enormous metropolitan area around Jakarta, but specifically about the city of North Jakarta.
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> relocate, most of Jakarta's population there
Haven't heard that one, at most what the gov want to relocate are the govt apparatus. It's certainly more logical and easier to "relocate" the economy and commerce part of Jakarta to the satellite cities (Jabodetabek). Relocating almost 20 mill population to Borneo is nor feasible.
Haven't heard that one, at most what the gov want to relocate are the govt apparatus. It's certainly more logical and easier to "relocate" the economy and commerce part of Jakarta to the satellite cities (Jabodetabek). Relocating almost 20 mill population to Borneo is nor feasible.
But if the city is sinking such that the government "has to" move, what is the fate of the rest of the city?
Thank you for that context. Do you have recommendations for good resources to read more about this?
There's a lot online. Unfortunately, I didn't find a way to look at all the submissions. I bet there were many interesting ones.
T he block size is way too large. You need smaller blocks for a walkable human city.
I have yet to find a walkable city in Indonesia, let alone South Asia that is actually walkable in comparison to European cities, like Amsterdam or Berlin. There is a major difference in population between those two though.
Istanbul has a similar sized population, and it felt more walkable and just a few good in public transportatiin than Jakarta (having spent a couple months in both cities). It may be due to good tram+marmaray in Istanbul compared to the BRT in Jakarta, and dedicated bus lanes don't cut it to Jakarta's traffic.
Istanbul has a similar sized population, and it felt more walkable and just a few good in public transportatiin than Jakarta (having spent a couple months in both cities). It may be due to good tram+marmaray in Istanbul compared to the BRT in Jakarta, and dedicated bus lanes don't cut it to Jakarta's traffic.
> South Asia
Nit: Indonesia is in South East Asia. South Asia refers to the Indian Subcontinent.
Nit: Indonesia is in South East Asia. South Asia refers to the Indian Subcontinent.
Nobody walks in Indonesia, it is too damn hot. That's why traffic is such a big problem, a lot of the walking traffic is replaced by vehicle traffic and so the cities are starting at a fundamental disadvantage.
Yet everyone walked in Indonesia just 100 years ago.
That's a matter of building a city for cars vs for people. Regardless of geography, some parts of Indonesia are actually quite pleasantly cold.
Strongly reminiscent of Brazilia - which is not exactly something that can be called a resounding success.
[EDIT]: and the plan is to gobble up a quasi-pristine chunk of jungle on Borneo ... I do understand people need to relocate somewhere because Jakarta is sinking ... but still, it makes me feel sad.
[EDIT]: and the plan is to gobble up a quasi-pristine chunk of jungle on Borneo ... I do understand people need to relocate somewhere because Jakarta is sinking ... but still, it makes me feel sad.
When creating a city in a developing place its not enough to think of it as what looks good. Its important to consider things like migration. What are the provisions for migration provided here? The green buffer zone won't remain a buffer zone if people keep moving in.
The capital of Indonesia is moving from Jakarta on the island of Java to a newly designed city in East Kalimantan (Indonesian Borneo) [1]. This article is about the winning entry for the design of the proposed city.
Jakarta is susceptible to flooding and is also sinking [2].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_of_Indonesia#Move_to_E...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flooding_in_Jakarta#Jakarta_si...
Jakarta is susceptible to flooding and is also sinking [2].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_of_Indonesia#Move_to_E...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flooding_in_Jakarta#Jakarta_si...
> Alongside flooding from rivers, Jakarta is also sinking about 5 to 10 centimeters each year and up to 20 centimeters in northern Jakarta mainland. From 2000 to 2050, the potential coastal flood extent is estimated to increase by 110.5 km2 due to both land subsidence and sea level rise.[44] Land subsidence in Jakarta is mainly caused by the overuse of groundwater.[45] At the same time, the groundwater has lost its capacity to recharge due to the lack of watershed areas and overpopulation in the capital. Without any groundwater regulation in place, buildings in Jakarta are drawing water from the ground at an unprecedented rate. For households, especially those at the bottom of the economic pyramid, access to piped water is considered a luxury. Not only must the customer pay for the tariff, which is higher than other Indonesian cities,[46] the installment fees often burden the poor households to connect to the tap.
> In addition, residents consider piped water (and to some extent groundwater) quality in Jakarta to be of poor quality, thus explaining why only 28 percent of Jakarta households drink piped water and groundwater compared to 95 percent in 2000.[47] It is important to note that apart from drinking, people in Jakarta still use groundwater, and to some extent piped water and wended water.[48] Such hydrological behaviour has led to the overuse of groundwater, thus contributing to the land subsidence.
That 28 percent seems concerning. Can someone explain more?
> In addition, residents consider piped water (and to some extent groundwater) quality in Jakarta to be of poor quality, thus explaining why only 28 percent of Jakarta households drink piped water and groundwater compared to 95 percent in 2000.[47] It is important to note that apart from drinking, people in Jakarta still use groundwater, and to some extent piped water and wended water.[48] Such hydrological behaviour has led to the overuse of groundwater, thus contributing to the land subsidence.
That 28 percent seems concerning. Can someone explain more?
I was born in Jakarta and lived there for the most part of my life.
For the most part of Jakarta's history, the city's state owned water company never claimed that the piped water are actually potable. People with money resorted to buy bottled water for all their water needs, and people with less means resorted to using groundwater.
I believe that even large apartment complexes in Jakarta are pumping groundwater simply because the water company is so unreliable. I know for a fact that a large housing development near Jakarta even have their own pumps, pipes, and distribution network. Such is people's distrust of the state's water company. In fact, my parents used to draw from groundwater as well.
The amount of groundwater being used means that more seawater seeps in, and the displaced groundwater resulted in parts of the city slowly sinking into the ground.
In short, Jakarta was originally a Dutch port that was never meant to be a capital of anything. It is well past its use-by date, and was definitely never designed to fit millions of people.
For the most part of Jakarta's history, the city's state owned water company never claimed that the piped water are actually potable. People with money resorted to buy bottled water for all their water needs, and people with less means resorted to using groundwater.
I believe that even large apartment complexes in Jakarta are pumping groundwater simply because the water company is so unreliable. I know for a fact that a large housing development near Jakarta even have their own pumps, pipes, and distribution network. Such is people's distrust of the state's water company. In fact, my parents used to draw from groundwater as well.
The amount of groundwater being used means that more seawater seeps in, and the displaced groundwater resulted in parts of the city slowly sinking into the ground.
In short, Jakarta was originally a Dutch port that was never meant to be a capital of anything. It is well past its use-by date, and was definitely never designed to fit millions of people.
Yet another of "looks real nice from an airplane" planned cities. They should've hired Christopher Alexander to come up with a pattern language instead.