Microsoft's Quiet Success Story: Windows 7(newsweek.com)
newsweek.com
Microsoft's Quiet Success Story: Windows 7
http://www.newsweek.com/id/235725
52 comments
>Windows 7 is my favorite desktop OS so far (except for web development, I like a native *nix shell).
I'm exactly the same. I've found that logging into a Linux machine and tunneling X actually works fine for me; it's definitely an easier solution than dual booting.
I'm exactly the same. I've found that logging into a Linux machine and tunneling X actually works fine for me; it's definitely an easier solution than dual booting.
I'm in the same boat too. W7 is my favorite OS so far and I do miss the shell. I adapted myself to use Cygwin to fill the gap though. Windows powershell, while a good effort, is not exactly what I'm looking for. The goodness of a shell extends beyond the raw commands. cygwin + rxvt + zsh is my current shell setup and it works pretty well for me.
VirtualBox+Linux usually satisfies my shell needs, and the rest I'll use putty for (which is definitely showing its age)
I'm the same, except I use cygwin + mintty, which I find to be a better (and better-looking) than rxvt on Windows.
> It's great to see progression and what MS is capable of in the face of competition.
For the kind of money if cost, it's really a tiny, somewhat disappointing, progression.
This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPDT21oEhW0 - would have been a real improvement.
For the kind of money if cost, it's really a tiny, somewhat disappointing, progression.
This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPDT21oEhW0 - would have been a real improvement.
I wouldn't know...thank you BizSpark! :)
You will in, oh, three or so years....after you're sufficiently assimilated...
It's also the only OS that has full scalability. You raise the DPI, everything on screen is increased in size, and 95% are still crisp.
Only think is I wish you could make the dock icons bigger.
Only think is I wish you could make the dock icons bigger.
> except for web development, I like a native nix shell
I like the shell for anything nitty-gritty, and cygwin doesn't quite cut it. I figure if they would build a Windows UI on a *nix core- essentially the same feat as OS9 -> OSX- so long as it was at least decent, I'd probably willingly pay full retail and never stray, at least for desktops/laptops.
I like the shell for anything nitty-gritty, and cygwin doesn't quite cut it. I figure if they would build a Windows UI on a *nix core- essentially the same feat as OS9 -> OSX- so long as it was at least decent, I'd probably willingly pay full retail and never stray, at least for desktops/laptops.
They are actually starting to build powershell into a lot more of their core apps. You can really do a lot of cool things with powershell. It's just an ugly looking language, IMO, so I tend to use iPython as my scripting language. It's really nice to be able to drop in to PowerShell if you need it, though.
I run Win 7 at home, on all my boxes, and I'm running Win3K on EC2 as a server. I can remote in from my phone, as well as my netbook without any problems. My deployment is automated and scripted. I'm going to switch to Server 2008 soon, so I can get a remote shell if I need it.
I run Win 7 at home, on all my boxes, and I'm running Win3K on EC2 as a server. I can remote in from my phone, as well as my netbook without any problems. My deployment is automated and scripted. I'm going to switch to Server 2008 soon, so I can get a remote shell if I need it.
It also has shitty performance. 32-bit emacs on my windows machine at work can't open a 300 MB text file for analysis. Turns out that 32-bit emacs uses a 28-bit pointer (256 MB file size limit, 64-bit emacs handles up to 1 million TB). So, I tried splitting the file. Here's my result:
On my home machine using linux / bash / cat | head+tail: about 4 seconds
On my (slower) work machine using cygwin: about 10 seconds
Using powershell: writes about 100-200k / sec (so about 25-30 minute if it ran to completion), but it chokes around 64MB. I know, you can write a bunch of .net code in powersheel and get non-terrible performance. That's not the point; idiomatic code should not be unusable.
On my home machine using linux / bash / cat | head+tail: about 4 seconds
On my (slower) work machine using cygwin: about 10 seconds
Using powershell: writes about 100-200k / sec (so about 25-30 minute if it ran to completion), but it chokes around 64MB. I know, you can write a bunch of .net code in powersheel and get non-terrible performance. That's not the point; idiomatic code should not be unusable.
Yep, agreed. My major complaint with Cygwin is the lack of a decent package manager. 'sudo apt-get install' on ubuntu is addictive.
Same here. Plus awkward integration with the actual filesystem (/ should be C:), and I've always hated cmd.exe as compared to virtually any linux xterm
You can install Cygwin into C:\ actually, which makes / == C:\. I find that does make it feel much better integrated with Windows. And there are several alternatives to the default console: mintty and rxvt if you don't want to run an X server, and xterm and rxvt-unicode if you do.
Thank you! That's fantastic advice. Still not perfect, but much better!
We started a transition from XP to windows 7,for staff. and after the dramatic drop in support calls, the gained speed, and the general approval of users many of which are natives of Apple, our only problem is that we are not doing the transition fast enough.
7 is a very solid experience, Without fanfare it seems under the radar Microsoft is gaining ground, i have a suspicion they are actually using the lack of limelight to their advantage.
7 is a very solid experience, Without fanfare it seems under the radar Microsoft is gaining ground, i have a suspicion they are actually using the lack of limelight to their advantage.
Windows 7 is so much better than vista. I almost switched to a Mac, but gave Microsoft one more chance. I am glad I did.
Vista wasn't so bad, to me Windows 7 is Vista with more speed and better UI.
Most of the article is pretty good, but in its analysis at the end, I think it loses it.
It may be that as the computer market has grown more mature, it has developed what consultants Al and Laura Riese call the "mushy middle." That's the huge dead zone that lies between sexy, expensive products at the high end and the low-end products that appeal to bargain hunters. In computers, Apple holds the high ground with its expensive laptops. The low end ... is also becoming Apple territory, thanks to the iPhone and the iPad, both of which are basically small, simple computers.
The author seems to be redefining his terms in the middle. Yes, Apple does hold a fancy, expensive high ground. However, I think it's a stretch to think of the iPhone and iPad as a simple inexpensive low ground. These products cost more than a typical "middle-ground" desktop (if you're only looking at price), and more than a cheap netbook like my eeePC (if you're considering capabilities and price).
As far as I can see, Apple only holds the expensive high ground, across several markets (notebook, phone, ultraportable tablet/netbook, media player). Each of these markets has a midlle and low ground beneath the Apple boutique range.
It may be that as the computer market has grown more mature, it has developed what consultants Al and Laura Riese call the "mushy middle." That's the huge dead zone that lies between sexy, expensive products at the high end and the low-end products that appeal to bargain hunters. In computers, Apple holds the high ground with its expensive laptops. The low end ... is also becoming Apple territory, thanks to the iPhone and the iPad, both of which are basically small, simple computers.
The author seems to be redefining his terms in the middle. Yes, Apple does hold a fancy, expensive high ground. However, I think it's a stretch to think of the iPhone and iPad as a simple inexpensive low ground. These products cost more than a typical "middle-ground" desktop (if you're only looking at price), and more than a cheap netbook like my eeePC (if you're considering capabilities and price).
As far as I can see, Apple only holds the expensive high ground, across several markets (notebook, phone, ultraportable tablet/netbook, media player). Each of these markets has a midlle and low ground beneath the Apple boutique range.
While it's technically a huge leap forward, I still just can't grok the UI. My wifes machine is on Windows 7 and it just (for whatever reason) is unusable to me.
Same here. The control panel is absolutely baffling. I never know where a given feature is hidden.
I've been a Linux user - from XP to Red Hat to Debian to Ubuntu - for a while now and every time I have to do something more complicated or unexpected on Windows, I waste an unpredictable amount of time.
It's not user-friendly, unless you choose your users with great care.
There are reasons to run Windows: Office (mostly specialized Excel plug-ins), Visual Studio (if you develop for Windows, it's not like you could get away running something else), games and specific hardware support, but, apart from that, I can't imagine why I would want to use it.
Just last night I was on my company-issued laptop, wondering why I could view pictures I took with my phone, but not drag them to a folder on the desktop. I had to e-mail a couple of them and spent a good 15 minutes trying to figure out a way not to copy them one by one, something that, oddly, I could do.
For me, the most effective setup is a Linux (or other Unix-ish OS) with Windows on a VM for the Windows-specific stuff.
And for games that won't run well on a VM, there is always the Playstation.
I've been a Linux user - from XP to Red Hat to Debian to Ubuntu - for a while now and every time I have to do something more complicated or unexpected on Windows, I waste an unpredictable amount of time.
It's not user-friendly, unless you choose your users with great care.
There are reasons to run Windows: Office (mostly specialized Excel plug-ins), Visual Studio (if you develop for Windows, it's not like you could get away running something else), games and specific hardware support, but, apart from that, I can't imagine why I would want to use it.
Just last night I was on my company-issued laptop, wondering why I could view pictures I took with my phone, but not drag them to a folder on the desktop. I had to e-mail a couple of them and spent a good 15 minutes trying to figure out a way not to copy them one by one, something that, oddly, I could do.
For me, the most effective setup is a Linux (or other Unix-ish OS) with Windows on a VM for the Windows-specific stuff.
And for games that won't run well on a VM, there is always the Playstation.
When you're in control panel, in the upper right hand corner, start typing what you're looking for and it will ajaxy filter down to what you're looking for.
This is such a useful feature that they should have delivered years ago, and they should make this WAY more obvious in the UI, as I doubt most people realize this.
You can often find what you are looking for just by doing the same from the start menu now rather than going into control panel.
As for your photos issue, if they were still physically on your phone, I suspect this would be caused by your phone not properly supporting some standard interface, but that's just a guess.
This is such a useful feature that they should have delivered years ago, and they should make this WAY more obvious in the UI, as I doubt most people realize this.
You can often find what you are looking for just by doing the same from the start menu now rather than going into control panel.
As for your photos issue, if they were still physically on your phone, I suspect this would be caused by your phone not properly supporting some standard interface, but that's just a guess.
> As for your photos issue, if they were still physically on your phone, I suspect this would be caused by your phone not properly supporting some standard interface, but that's just a guess.
Works flawlessly on Ubuntu... In fact, that's simple enough I would never suspect Windows would fail me on that.
Works flawlessly on Ubuntu... In fact, that's simple enough I would never suspect Windows would fail me on that.
Windows XP isn't long in the tooth. With a good set of registry edits, an SSD drive, Firefox and Google Chrome, I don't even notice it's there.
You should be careful. A lot of security features that we take for granted nowadays (stack protection, privilege separation, etc.) are poorly featured or nonexistent in Windows XP. If you aren't running any services and are running behind a firewall it may not be a big deal, but it's a good thing to keep in mind.
FWIW, Windows XP doesn't support the TRIM command on SSDs.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738/10
In my personal opinion, because of Windows' position in the market place, they do not need or want glam and glitz and 'gushing reviews'. The best result for them is the silent, global adoption of a product that simply does it's job, and does it well. No one raves about *nix, but it dominates the server market, and encapsules the high-end computing market almost entirely.
flash-bang-whiz is a hallmark of the underdog, the has-been, the also-ran.
It could be said, for someone in their position, no news is the best news.
(Some flash can be useful; see the 80's and 90's, with hot sports cars working to bring average Joe's into the showroom to buy other things. Similar concept to loss-leaders, except it functions through image instead of discounts.)
flash-bang-whiz is a hallmark of the underdog, the has-been, the also-ran.
It could be said, for someone in their position, no news is the best news.
(Some flash can be useful; see the 80's and 90's, with hot sports cars working to bring average Joe's into the showroom to buy other things. Similar concept to loss-leaders, except it functions through image instead of discounts.)
What does that make Windows 95 with its insanely hyped launch?
"Windows 95 was an event. People lined up for blocks outside computer stores (like Egghead) at midnight to get their copy of Microsoft's newest operating system. Rolling Stones' song "Start Me Up" set the tone for the launch." (http://www.betanews.com/article/10-Years-On-Windows-95-Remem...)
"Windows 95 was an event. People lined up for blocks outside computer stores (like Egghead) at midnight to get their copy of Microsoft's newest operating system. Rolling Stones' song "Start Me Up" set the tone for the launch." (http://www.betanews.com/article/10-Years-On-Windows-95-Remem...)
Win95 was kind of the creation of a new type of computing. Now that the market exists, it doesn't need to be sensationalized to get a toehold.
At least, that's my first thought.
At least, that's my first thought.
Hopefully this means they won't make god-awful internal music videos like that Bruce Springsteen one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU I feel dirty linking to it.
During March Madness, they pitched Windows 7 with the feature "shake a window and all the other windows minimize". It's not really related to this article but I just felt it was very odd from them.
I can see it being more useful/friendlier with a touch interface.
Yeah, I almost never use that. But I really like how I can drag a maximized window and it normalizes or drag a normalized window to the top and it maximizes.
I got a mac mini for some iPhone development and I'm constantly perplexed at how their window managment works. It seems everything is always normalized. I like the mini well enough, it just feels weird to me.
I got a mac mini for some iPhone development and I'm constantly perplexed at how their window managment works. It seems everything is always normalized. I like the mini well enough, it just feels weird to me.
Plus, it is so hard to use. Sometimes I shake a window and it doesn't work. Like if there was a concept behind it that I couldn't understand.
As an owner of a Windows Mobile 6 phone, I am hoping that 7 is also a magic number for their mobile OS as well. I can certainly agree that the move from XP to 7 and Vista to 7 was excellent.
As a guy who does tech support for cell phones, I am hoping that Windows Mobile phones disappear from the earth.
I suspect it's because Apple's success story is louder. (ie, bigger, more so, better, etc.)
Let me guess: somebody near the top of Microsoft said, "Apple's kicking our butt. Time to copy^H^H^H^Her, I mean, try to catch up again." And somebody else said, "Yes, boss." And the result: Windows 7.
I haven't used it as much as I have Vista and XP, but from the amount I have it feels like that's what the case is again.
I haven't used it as much as I have Vista and XP, but from the amount I have it feels like that's what the case is again.
Posting to HN is like playing roulette. Post a comment in one thread that you think is true and funny, bingo, gain 26 karma. Do it again in another thread, bang, lose 4. I never know ahead of time which case it will be. The net trend is positive, at least.
On-topic: just went to Microsoft's site and read their Top 10 Reasons why Windows 7 is so cool, and, as I suspected previously, 90% of the gee-whiz features touted were already in Mac OS X. One could argue that Apple is historically treated by Microsoft as a sort of external, unwitting R&D arm. Except it's better than their internal R&D in one crucial area: Microsoft doesn't have to pay for it!
On-topic: just went to Microsoft's site and read their Top 10 Reasons why Windows 7 is so cool, and, as I suspected previously, 90% of the gee-whiz features touted were already in Mac OS X. One could argue that Apple is historically treated by Microsoft as a sort of external, unwitting R&D arm. Except it's better than their internal R&D in one crucial area: Microsoft doesn't have to pay for it!
> Posting to HN is like playing roulette.
A hint: your comment that got dumped on here (1) has little/no useful content, (1a) is only barely related to the article, (2) is a tired cliché, (3) is snarky to the point of being mean spirited.
I hope that even if you get a “positive net trend” with similar comments, it doesn’t encourage you. If you’re going to angle for “funny”, the joke has to be some combination of surprising, new, or especially relevant. Because most throw-away joke lines fail these criteria, they tend to get voted down: they’re mostly an uninteresting distraction from whatever other conversation is going on.
Also, your second comment is just a repeat of the lame joke of the first comment.
A hint: your comment that got dumped on here (1) has little/no useful content, (1a) is only barely related to the article, (2) is a tired cliché, (3) is snarky to the point of being mean spirited.
I hope that even if you get a “positive net trend” with similar comments, it doesn’t encourage you. If you’re going to angle for “funny”, the joke has to be some combination of surprising, new, or especially relevant. Because most throw-away joke lines fail these criteria, they tend to get voted down: they’re mostly an uninteresting distraction from whatever other conversation is going on.
Also, your second comment is just a repeat of the lame joke of the first comment.
And, BTW, the maximize-when-dragged-to-top and normalize-when-dragged-out-of-top was lifted straight from Unixes (Gnome, I think, but it could have been done earlier somewhere else), not from OSX.
OSX is an amazingly well-designed OS and has been a pleasure to use since the time it ran only on NeXT's black cubes, but it's not the source of all of Microsoft's ideas.
To be fair, they come up with some good ones from time to time too.
OSX is an amazingly well-designed OS and has been a pleasure to use since the time it ran only on NeXT's black cubes, but it's not the source of all of Microsoft's ideas.
To be fair, they come up with some good ones from time to time too.
> To be fair, they come up with some good ones from time to time too.
Bing is a good example. I cant stress enough how much I enjoy using that site, whether its the infinite scrolling image search, mouse over video preview, or even just the new picture everyday.
Bing is a good example. I cant stress enough how much I enjoy using that site, whether its the infinite scrolling image search, mouse over video preview, or even just the new picture everyday.
Useful heuristic: Can you imagine a reasonably intelligent and informed reader reading what you wrote and saying "Hmm, I never thought of that before?". If not, you're probably not adding much by posting it.
Thanks for advice! Unfortunately I think if I applied that standard to the main articles on Hacker News, for example, then most would fail. :)
[deleted]
It's great to see progression and what MS is capable of in the face of competition.