Sweden is Out of Housing for Refugees(bloomberg.com)
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Sweden is Out of Housing for Refugees
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-05/sweden-feels-the-refugee-strain
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I think that now it is time for other European countries to step up and take their responsibility. Many countries seem focused on keeping all migrants/refugees out and in that way shuffling the responsibility to some other country.
It isn't reasonable to expect Turkey and Lebanon to take all refugees from Syria for example.
Also the responsibility of airlines for paying the costs of returning anyone who is not allowed to enter a country should be removed. It is a very hard-line rule that creates a lot of unnecessary suffering and also creates a huge black market (trafficking). [1]
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO0IRsfrPQ4
It isn't reasonable to expect Turkey and Lebanon to take all refugees from Syria for example.
Also the responsibility of airlines for paying the costs of returning anyone who is not allowed to enter a country should be removed. It is a very hard-line rule that creates a lot of unnecessary suffering and also creates a huge black market (trafficking). [1]
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO0IRsfrPQ4
"I think that now it is time for other European countries to step up and take their responsibility." And what is their responsibility exactly?
Sweden is free to do what they want, just like other countries can decide their own foreign policy.
I'm not saying I support building walls at the border, but again, countries are free to do what they want with their territory, they don't owe anything to refugees or other nations.
Sweden is free to do what they want, just like other countries can decide their own foreign policy.
I'm not saying I support building walls at the border, but again, countries are free to do what they want with their territory, they don't owe anything to refugees or other nations.
Other than international treaties, it's a threat to stability. Not only in the middle east, but in Turkey, Greece, the Balkans, Europe as whole and the European Union as an entity. History doesn't really care what you think you owe or don't owe anyone. The question is what you can afford, especially with the change in geopolitics like the rise of China. On the other hand considering the quality of your other comments on HN I'm not even sure why I'm writing this.
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Honest question: does 1 job taken by an immigrant equal 1 job lost by a local? How else is it?
I was a migrant worker myself, and while I'm grateful for the opportunity to work for a higher salary than I could get home, I still believe that the open work policies are bad for both sides - developing nations get a huge brain drain and a slower internal development, while developed countries get a lot of cheap workers and have unemployment problems with their own citizens...
I was a migrant worker myself, and while I'm grateful for the opportunity to work for a higher salary than I could get home, I still believe that the open work policies are bad for both sides - developing nations get a huge brain drain and a slower internal development, while developed countries get a lot of cheap workers and have unemployment problems with their own citizens...
This is the worst case scenario for immigration but in reality it doesn't work like that. People do return to their home countries at some point in their life not all of them but some of them and it's very documented and they bring invaluable expertise and much needed capital know-how with them. Also, not all migrants are unskilled/low skilled labor, some are very high skilled and can benefit the host country enormously whether directly in taxes or indirectly as rising productivity and national wealth as a whole.
Yes, the expertise brought back is invaluable, indeed.
The general consensus is, I believe, that immigration has negative short-term effects on wages for low-paid workers or people just starting their careers, but eventually leads to economic growth due to higher demand. Some countries even rely upon immigrants to keep their social security system up and running, due to their own citizens aging rapidly and not having enough population growth. I believe Germany is one such example.
For the countries currently losing most of their qualified and educated citizens, it's certainly not a good thing.
For the countries currently losing most of their qualified and educated citizens, it's certainly not a good thing.
I think this is correct, but I'm having trouble finding proper peer reviewed publications on the subject. The search is very noisey for obvious reasons.
Here's someone who says that immigration contributed moderately to the rise of wage inequality by increasing the supply of low-skilled labor during the 1980's, but that the effect on native worker outcomes was very slight: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2118131?seq=1#page_scan_tab_cont...
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"Some countries even rely upon immigrants to keep their social security system up and running, due to their own citizens aging rapidly and not having enough population growth. I believe Germany is one such example."
That's interesting. Maybe this could help with demographic problems here in the U.S. For example amnesty could capture new tax and social security revenues from millions of younger workers. Demand might be lower at a legal minimum wage however.
Here's someone who says that immigration contributed moderately to the rise of wage inequality by increasing the supply of low-skilled labor during the 1980's, but that the effect on native worker outcomes was very slight: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2118131?seq=1#page_scan_tab_cont...
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"Some countries even rely upon immigrants to keep their social security system up and running, due to their own citizens aging rapidly and not having enough population growth. I believe Germany is one such example."
That's interesting. Maybe this could help with demographic problems here in the U.S. For example amnesty could capture new tax and social security revenues from millions of younger workers. Demand might be lower at a legal minimum wage however.
I'm wondering why Germany doesn't implement and administer an immigration program like the Diversity Visa in use in the USA if they're so desperate to have migrants to shore up the shrinking population at home?
Only if you _never buy anything_. The supply of jobs is not fixed or finite. People, including you, both create AND consume valueble goods and services, wherever they are.
But if I work a 2400 Euro job for 1200 Euro, that is quite a difference. The employer pockets the difference, all I spend in my guest country is a bit on food and living.
The supply of jobs is finite imo - a warehouse needs 20 unskilled workers, they'll get 20 workers working for 1200 Euro instead of 20 working for twice the wage, so 20 local people in a town are left with nothing...
The supply of jobs is finite imo - a warehouse needs 20 unskilled workers, they'll get 20 workers working for 1200 Euro instead of 20 working for twice the wage, so 20 local people in a town are left with nothing...
The question was: "does 1 job taken by an immigrant equal 1 job lost by a local?"
So the answer is a ratio, and it's probably not 1:1. Maybe it's 1:.5, but it's almost certainly not as bad as the 1:1.
So the answer is a ratio, and it's probably not 1:1. Maybe it's 1:.5, but it's almost certainly not as bad as the 1:1.
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"It’s as if North Carolina, which has about the same population as Sweden, sprouted a new city the size of Raleigh in three years."
A meaningless sentence to anyone outside the States. Can someone write to Bloomberg and tell them how the Internet works?
A meaningless sentence to anyone outside the States. Can someone write to Bloomberg and tell them how the Internet works?
It's pretty meaningless to me and I've lived in North Carolina. I have no idea what it would be like for another Raleigh to spring up there, plus North Carolina is not a nation state.
I think it's just hard to come up with useful analogies for huge-scale events like this. But yeah, it seems pretty phoned in.
Try this: imagine the crowds you have to deal with going to a major mass-market sporting event, now imagine 8 of those, now make it last for three years, and now set the end date to "indefinite".
I think it's just hard to come up with useful analogies for huge-scale events like this. But yeah, it seems pretty phoned in.
Try this: imagine the crowds you have to deal with going to a major mass-market sporting event, now imagine 8 of those, now make it last for three years, and now set the end date to "indefinite".
You're on the Internet, Google it :-)
nice read, the fact that no swedish publication can write anything without racist views beeing applied makes me sad.
the last paragraph @Some recent arrivals, especially those from Syria, are educated and may find jobs relatively quickly. Rama Yousef, a university graduate who came in 2013 with her family, spent five months in a government-paid intensive Swedish course, then enrolled in a program at Stockholm University that helps highly qualified immigrants find jobs. She now works in the Stockholm office of consulting group Capgemini. “The Swedish people have done a lot for me,” she says.
Is something youd never read in a swedish newpaper, or atleast thats how i interpret our news. All you read is how ungreatfull people are for any help they get. Guess it's easier to sell newspapers to idiots if you write abous idiots acting like idiots.
the last paragraph @Some recent arrivals, especially those from Syria, are educated and may find jobs relatively quickly. Rama Yousef, a university graduate who came in 2013 with her family, spent five months in a government-paid intensive Swedish course, then enrolled in a program at Stockholm University that helps highly qualified immigrants find jobs. She now works in the Stockholm office of consulting group Capgemini. “The Swedish people have done a lot for me,” she says.
Is something youd never read in a swedish newpaper, or atleast thats how i interpret our news. All you read is how ungreatfull people are for any help they get. Guess it's easier to sell newspapers to idiots if you write abous idiots acting like idiots.
What? Are you trolling? I think most people would agree to the contrary. The media is rarely asking critical questions to the politicians and have been widely supporting the mass immigration, to the extent that many people are losing confidence completely in the established media outlets.
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Current submission title: "Sweden is Out of Housing for Refugees"
Current article title: "Sweden Feels the Refugee Strain"
The word "housing" doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the article.
I think the current article title better reflects the content of the story.
Current article title: "Sweden Feels the Refugee Strain"
The word "housing" doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the article.
I think the current article title better reflects the content of the story.
The word might not appear in the article but the article mentions (as in other swedish media) that it's hard for the government to find more housing for the refugees and that they are now struggling to create new places for them to live temporary.
Because it was hard finding an article which mentions this very 'out of housing' fact which dominates Swedish media currently.
As for example, the "extra" on the front page of Göteborgs Posten, titled "Minister: Flyktingboenden slut" and linking to http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-... . The Local covers it in English, t http://www.thelocal.se/20151105/sweden-urges-refugees-to-sta... , ("Sweden can no longer guarantee refugee beds").
"Sweden can no longer guarantee accommodation to everyone who comes. Those who are arriving could be met with the news that there isn't anywhere to stay." http://news.yahoo.com/sweden-apply-emergency-eu-aid-meet-asy...
You can read about the housing problems here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10514741
Your link seems to be broken
Yes I deleted it since I posted the link in a comment above instead.
This is a new development as the previous official line has been that the situation is strained but under control.
[1]: http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/morgan-johansson-gransen-fo...
[2]: http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-...
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