Firefox may soon reject Cookie prompts automatically(ghacks.net)
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Firefox may soon reject Cookie prompts automatically
https://www.ghacks.net/2023/04/17/firefox-may-interact-with-cookie-prompts-automatically-soon/
301 comments
The irony that I have to click through one of the ultra-shitty agree/learn more cookie popups just to read this article. Maybe if GHacks didn't comply with the legislation in such a user hostile manner, browser developers wouldn't have to waste time on such features.
I want my browser to send a header:
X-I-Dont-Give-A-Fuck-About-Cookies: true
Honest question: why is cookie management done by the sites instead of the browser? There's something wrong with the way this is all designed if we're relying on the websites, which have an obvious conflict of interest, to manage which cookies are necessary and which are frivolous.
Europe should have just mandated Do-not-Track, what they did was a billion dollar mistake.
I hate those cookie prompts so much I get Cookie Rage every time they appear. I rather be tracked from here to infinity than see another cookie prompt in a site i approved yesterday.
I still smile sometimes at the pop-ups. I mean, you can try and store a cookie. I'm still gonna automatically delete it in a few minutes.
This never needed a legal solution in this form. Browsers should just not accept cookies, unless the user explicitly wants something stored on their device. That might have been better to legislate. Software on a user's device should not store or enable tracking by remote services, without disclaimer.
This never needed a legal solution in this form. Browsers should just not accept cookies, unless the user explicitly wants something stored on their device. That might have been better to legislate. Software on a user's device should not store or enable tracking by remote services, without disclaimer.
Great, now I just want a preference for
[X] NO, I do not want to subscribe to your newsletterAll this focus on cookies is entirely missing the point of regulating user tracking online. Adtech is ten steps ahead of this, and can track users whether they accept cookies or not. It's an illusion of choice that muddies the discussion of topics that really matter.
There should be more congressional hearings of adtech representatives, with legislators who are technically equipped to grill them on all details of their business, and how it affects the population.
Unfortunately, given how most legislators are technically illiterate at best, and financially corrupt at worst, nothing of value for the people has so far resulted from these hearings.
I'm hoping that in the coming decades, as younger generations get in government, this will improve. We really need much stronger regulation for Big Tech, just like we have for Big Tobacco, Oil, Pharma, et al. Hopefully this will come sooner than the point when the harms from its long-term effects are fully understood.
There should be more congressional hearings of adtech representatives, with legislators who are technically equipped to grill them on all details of their business, and how it affects the population.
Unfortunately, given how most legislators are technically illiterate at best, and financially corrupt at worst, nothing of value for the people has so far resulted from these hearings.
I'm hoping that in the coming decades, as younger generations get in government, this will improve. We really need much stronger regulation for Big Tech, just like we have for Big Tobacco, Oil, Pharma, et al. Hopefully this will come sooner than the point when the harms from its long-term effects are fully understood.
> Certain regulations, like the GDPR, the General Data Protection Regulation, by the European Union, require that sites get consent for placing cookies and data on user devices.
Well, that is bullshit. GDPR requires that you have some form of legal basis for storing cookies. Consent is the last ditch effort if you were not able to find any other justification. So by nearly by definition, denying that consent is in the user's interest.
I think there is some other EU regulation that requires cookie banners. But don't blame it on the GDPR!
Well, that is bullshit. GDPR requires that you have some form of legal basis for storing cookies. Consent is the last ditch effort if you were not able to find any other justification. So by nearly by definition, denying that consent is in the user's interest.
I think there is some other EU regulation that requires cookie banners. But don't blame it on the GDPR!
https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic - this has worked well for me. It'll be nice when similar functionality is built in.
This whole thing is so fucking stupid.
The website should ask your browser should ask for permission to store cookies beyond the length of the session as it asks for your location / camera access.
The website should ask your browser should ask for permission to store cookies beyond the length of the session as it asks for your location / camera access.
Reading a lot of really good, insightful comments in this thread I have come to this conclusion: It's just another arms race. Like spam, CAPTCHAs, user engagement, and ads. There is no permanent solution and there cannot be because there are innovative humans (and now their ML tools) on both sides of it. All "good" solutions will be temporary, and laws are only as good as their enforcement.
Firefox could send each site a UID, my home address, and my phone number and it would enrage me less than the prompts everywhere.
Clicking "reject all" isn't sufficient though. In many cases you need to go into some sub-tab and click "object all" to legitimate interest, or even uncheck a bunch of individual checkboxes that default to on.
This is applied for purposes such as "build a personalized profile", "show personalized content" and "show targeted ads" so I have no idea what the cookie dialog is supposed to prevent anymore... clearly the original purpose has been rules lawyered into oblivion by amoral scumbags.
But if they don't handle this, they're just going to blindly opt people into a bunch of stuff you'd expect to be opted out of.
This is applied for purposes such as "build a personalized profile", "show personalized content" and "show targeted ads" so I have no idea what the cookie dialog is supposed to prevent anymore... clearly the original purpose has been rules lawyered into oblivion by amoral scumbags.
But if they don't handle this, they're just going to blindly opt people into a bunch of stuff you'd expect to be opted out of.
It's all so silly. The simplest solution would be to have a standard cookie (and/or API in javascript) that everyone can access which declares your preferences. Instead we have these multiple rounds of complexity.
There's no auto-accept feature? I still wouldn't use it, or Firefox, because that kind of automated interaction seems unreliable, but I really don't want auto- reject breaking stuff.
This whole thing is not about cookies, it is about extracting value from a website users. If a website has only necessary functional cookies - it is not obliged to get a user's consent. So if you see a cookie consent popup - it is 100% website trying to persuade you into giving away some of you rights. Recently I developed a habit to just close the tab with those annoyances (including the one this thred linked to).
Firefox developers, you will be my heroes forever if you pull this off! Cookie pop-ups are the scourge of the internet.
Ironically the linked article shows content blocking modal without easily available option to reject all cookies. Go Firefox!
All this cookie banner nonsense could have been solved years ago by implementing a simple standard of setting your privacy preferences right in the browser.
All this cookie banner nonsense could have been solved years ago by implementing a simple standard of setting your privacy preferences right in the browser.
Brave does this IIRC since October 2022
it's since recently also blocking "use our app" nagboxes in mobile
it's since recently also blocking "use our app" nagboxes in mobile
I don't get it. So everyone will simply opt out of cookies automatically, and no more first-party cookies will be allowed?
What about localStorage?
I just don't understand how people are supposed to maintain an account with a site, without this stuff. Maybe using WebAuthn? Or what?
What about localStorage?
I just don't understand how people are supposed to maintain an account with a site, without this stuff. Maybe using WebAuthn? Or what?
Honestly those are more like gimmicks from an advanced user standpoint as the I still don't care about cookies extension does the job just fine as far as I'm concerned, and while this may indeed make a good headline or feature I think development may lack emphasis on the core of firefox and what makes it a good browser.
There is much more fundamental and core functionality missing which has been requested for years like this for example https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1325692
In general it would be good having such functionality built-in, I guess they're gonna have to maintain it as well.
All and all, I'm glad to see any kind of progress on the browser and in any case wish them the very best.
There is much more fundamental and core functionality missing which has been requested for years like this for example https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1325692
In general it would be good having such functionality built-in, I guess they're gonna have to maintain it as well.
All and all, I'm glad to see any kind of progress on the browser and in any case wish them the very best.
Cool feature, but is it necessary to interact with cookie prompts at all? I feel that simply blocking the tracking and the cookie prompts seem like the best solution here.
And I get a nice big cookie prompt when I open up that site. The web is broken. And it follows the dark pattern approach. I’m not even gonna read it. Blacklisted.
This seems similar to the ‘Hush’ extension for Safari:
https://oblador.github.io/hush/
https://oblador.github.io/hush/
I use stardust cookie cutter: https://www.stardustnetwork.com/
P3P was ahead of its time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P3P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P3P
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Ublock can do this with an option
> the absence of any option for refusing/rejecting/not consenting cookies at the same level as the one provided for accepting their storage constitutes a breach of the legislation [0]
GO Europe GO !
[0] https://www.cnil.fr/en/edpb-adopts-final-report-outcome-cook...